Another PC building thread

Love · Post by **Love** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:15 pm

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:19 pm

Just a suggestion, a AMD card might do better, haven't really looked at any artistic stats but for years and years AMD (ATI) was ahead on displaying RGB colors, seems to be sharper and more accurate. Might not be the case anymore though. This is if you are really serious about video and picture editing. Not sure why you would want to pay ~$500 per GTX295 either but that's your choice. Also the PSU, it is solid, but may want to take a look at wattage requirements and the amperage needed. Though that being said you should be ok with that, it being a high end PSU the power will be cleaner than most so you can push it a bit more. Think that PSU has a 40A rating, which should work, believe a 295 calls for anywhere from 40-50A.

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:19 pm

Love wrote:let me share with you guys my september build. pricetag, around 1900 usd.

gpu ( will prob upgrade to a directx 11 card by the time i do this build ) :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814150387

cpu:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115202

case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811129058

mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131365

ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820227388

hdd:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136284

24" monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824009167

psu ( likely to downgrade to 750, waiting for next gen pw ) :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817139009

quality speakers:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6836121122

cpu cooler ( i want a Prolimatech Megahalems, just havent decided where to buy from yet ):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835233029

mouse & keyboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6826104076
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6823334002

dvd drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827136152

thermal compound:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835186020

I have the megahalems in there, but since the graphics card haven't arrived yet I can't tell you any temps. I know that it touches the CPU very nice, my MX-2 got spread out really well and covers the entire CPU

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:25 pm

Sharp324 wrote:Just a suggestion, a AMD card might do better, haven't really looked at any artistic stats but for years and years AMD (ATI) was ahead on displaying RGB colors, seems to be sharper and more accurate. Might not be the case anymore though. This is if you are really serious about video and picture editing. Not sure why you would want to pay ~$500 per GTX295 either but that's your choice. Also the PSU, it is solid, but may want to take a look at wattage requirements and the amperage needed. Though that being said you should be ok with that, it being a high end PSU the power will be cleaner than most so you can push it a bit more. Think that PSU has a 40A rating, which should work, believe a 295 calls for anywhere from 40-50A.

I had an ATI card before, but I disliked the drivers, and support. I had a better experience before with an Nvidia card.
The PSU is definitely enough, most reviews say that it could also be branded as an 1,1 or 1,2 KW PSU, since it is able to delivers those wattages to some extent. Each of the 12v rails delivers 40A, so in total it delivers 80A. I put the GTX 295's on different rails so it will be fine

Sharp324 · Post by **Sharp324** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:50 pm

maxietheboss wrote:
Sharp324 wrote:Just a suggestion, a AMD card might do better, haven't really looked at any artistic stats but for years and years AMD (ATI) was ahead on displaying RGB colors, seems to be sharper and more accurate. Might not be the case anymore though. This is if you are really serious about video and picture editing. Not sure why you would want to pay ~$500 per GTX295 either but that's your choice. Also the PSU, it is solid, but may want to take a look at wattage requirements and the amperage needed. Though that being said you should be ok with that, it being a high end PSU the power will be cleaner than most so you can push it a bit more. Think that PSU has a 40A rating, which should work, believe a 295 calls for anywhere from 40-50A.

I had an ATI card before, but I disliked the drivers, and support. I had a better experience before with an Nvidia card.
The PSU is definitely enough, most reviews say that it could also be branded as an 1,1 or 1,2 KW PSU, since it is able to delivers those wattages to some extent. Each of the 12v rails delivers 40A, so in total it delivers 80A. I put the GTX 295's on different rails so it will be fine

For rails, you divide the watts by 12v like (watts)/12. But its definitely enough either way. It doesn't equal to 80A, if it did most PSUs could equal that or more. That;s kinda like people saying they have a quad core 2.4Ghz so that makes it a 9.4Ghz. Like i said it being a higher end unit, it will definitely do better than others. Corsairs are very solid, though most PSUs can put out above their wattage, its the quality of the power that counts. In this case your good though.

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:05 pm

500W/12V=41 2/3 amps for each card then. Electricity is one of the hardest things ever.
But yeah it'll be enough

FireVortex · Post by **FireVortex** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:08 pm

Never coming in a thread like this again. You guys make me jealous.

[SD]Twysta · Post by **[SD]Twysta** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:11 pm

Just wondering Love, why the P6T Deluxe V2?

Love · Post by **Love** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:07 pm

[SD]Twysta wrote:Just wondering Love, why the P6T Deluxe V2?

performs better than the original, is cheaper, and the first one had problems with it's sas controllers. cost/performance aside one of the reasons why i am going with this mobo is couse it has a 1 slot gap between the 2 main x16 lanes for better cooling in sli/xfire setups ( not many motherboards posses this feature ). another nice little plus is that it has linux built in, not that ill use it, but why not. finally is easy to work it and that is always a good thing.

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:10 pm

Love wrote:
[SD]Twysta wrote:Just wondering Love, why the P6T Deluxe V2?

performs better than the original, is cheaper, and the first one had problems with it's sas controllers. cost/performance aside one of the reasons why i am going with this mobo is couse it has a 1 slot gap between the 2 main x16 lanes for better cooling in sli/xfire setups ( not many motherboards posses this feature ). another nice little plus is that it has linux built in, not that ill use it, but why not. finally is easy to work it and that is always a good thing.

I had to decide between this board and the gigabute ex-58 ud5. But I choose the latter because the 6 sata ports were just not enough for me, I need at least 7 if not more.

[SD]Twysta · Post by **[SD]Twysta** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:45 pm

I was gonna buy the Asus P6T SE at first.
This is a fixed version of the one you described as the original one.

Now that I mention this, I should have

The P6T SE is quite a bit cheaper than the Deluxe V2 and has all the features that I need for my own build.

Oh well. It's a newer and better version, can't be that bad.

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:36 pm

Why oh why do you need sli 295's? A 295 can already run games at max resolutions...

BlackFox898 · Post by **BlackFox898** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:06 am

Azilius wrote:Why oh why do you need sli 295's? A 295 can already run games at max resolutions...

thats what i thought, i think he should get a "co-op" 295

Post by **Rainigul** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:17 am

Wtf do you need 4tbs of storage for? Porn? But besides that, very nice (also, I guess you could just use them as backups)

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:01 am

im a fellow techy myself but i agree this is overkill

4TB not needed im sorry but let me put it like this 4000gb, 100-150gb a month is totally bullshit sorry but its true

2 XFX gtx295 why? thats the top card on the market atm one is enough for any of your gaming needs

honestly this just feels to be following on to top twsta i doubt you will even get this rig its more like a dream rig which you wont make in which case quad sli, more then 4tb, 10+gb ram and full water cooling system, oh and why not throw in the deathstar aswell

Noobs_Slayer · Post by **Noobs_Slayer** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:45 am

IF you're a gamer you really need to get Razer or SteelSerries gaming gear (i mean mouse, keyboard, mousepad) gammers call it "unfair advantage". But they're right, because gaming gear of those two companies are famous for mouse precision and stuff like this.
Anyway nice pc Gl with it

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:32 am

Noobs_Slayer wrote:IF you're a gamer you really need to get Razer or SteelSerries gaming gear (i mean mouse, keyboard, mousepad) gammers call it "unfair advantage". But they're right, because gaming gear of those two companies are famous for mouse precision and stuff like this.
Anyway nice pc Gl with it

no tbh they are more for show then practicle use sounds good on paper but i challenge you to see the difference in any serious gaming

they dont go to say im not after a razor keyboard/mouse and mouse mat (i actually need a mouse mat mine is kind of shite just gathers dirt)

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:44 am

Can an i7 even keep up with 2 295's without bottle necking..?

[SD]bizzle · Post by **[SD]bizzle** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:07 am

Some places got away with the reccession then..i c ...

lol jk, actually it could be true xD

Noobs_Slayer · Post by **Noobs_Slayer** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:18 am

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:
Noobs_Slayer wrote:IF you're a gamer you really need to get Razer or SteelSerries gaming gear (i mean mouse, keyboard, mousepad) gammers call it "unfair advantage". But they're right, because gaming gear of those two companies are famous for mouse precision and stuff like this.
Anyway nice pc Gl with it

no tbh they are more for show then practicle use sounds good on paper but i challenge you to see the difference in any serious gaming

they dont go to say im not after a razor keyboard/mouse and mouse mat (i actually need a mouse mat mine is kind of shite just gathers dirt)

Well true, good mouse needs to be expensive, and don't blame designers for their work, just because mouse looks flashy.By the way did you heard about Razer death adder? That's legendary mouse cuz it's so comfortable and made special for gaming. Besides it looks good. here some screenies:

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:33 am

Azilius wrote:Why oh why do you need sli 295's? A 295 can already run games at max resolutions...

atm it can, but what about next year, or the year after that. I know DX11 is coming this fall, but I'd rather skip the first buggy generation of DX11 cards.

Azilius wrote:Can an i7 even keep up with 2 295's without bottle necking..?

That's why i'll overclock it to atleast 3.6Ghz, maybe even higher if I do get watercooling

[SD]bizzle wrote:Some places got away with the reccession then..i c ...

lol jk, actually it could be true xD

Well, prices are low because shops can't get rid of their supplies. So some things are really cheap in comparison to last year

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:38 am

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:im a fellow techy myself but i agree this is overkill

4TB not needed im sorry but let me put it like this 4000gb, 100-150gb a month is totally bullshit sorry but its true

2 XFX gtx295 why? thats the top card on the market atm one is enough for any of your gaming needs

honestly this just feels to be following on to top twsta i doubt you will even get this rig its more like a dream rig which you wont make in which case quad sli, more then 4tb, 10+gb ram and full water cooling system, oh and why not throw in the deathstar aswell

I'll show you a pic of all the boxes, and when the graphics cards arrive I'll do the same

EvGa · Post by **EvGa** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:47 am

Love wrote:
[SD]Twysta wrote:Just wondering Love, why the P6T Deluxe V2?

performs better than the original, is cheaper, and the first one had problems with it's sas controllers. cost/performance aside one of the reasons why i am going with this mobo is couse it has a 1 slot gap between the 2 main x16 lanes for better cooling in sli/xfire setups ( not many motherboards posses this feature ). another nice little plus is that it has linux built in, not that ill use it, but why not. finally is easy to work it and that is always a good thing.

My ASUS P5Q-Deluxe has its own built in OS, it's not linux, but does have a windows-like desktop, web browser, and several other apps. Really handy if you're having hardware problems. One of my drives in my Raid-0 array died and I used the built in OS, was handy.

I have the Razer Diamonback, love it.

I'll let you guys argue over the over-kill, which cpu/gpu/mobo is better.. it's too late for that. =P

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:55 am

maxietheboss wrote:
Azilius wrote:Can an i7 even keep up with 2 295's without bottle necking..?

That's why i'll overclock it to atleast 3.6Ghz, maybe even higher if I do get watercooling

I'm still thinking you'll bottleneck at 1920x1080++..Not enough to matter but enough to make the second card semi-useless.

[SD]Master_Wong · Post by **[SD]Master_Wong** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:12 pm

Noobs_Slayer wrote:
[SD]Master_Wong wrote:
Noobs_Slayer wrote:IF you're a gamer you really need to get Razer or SteelSerries gaming gear (i mean mouse, keyboard, mousepad) gammers call it "unfair advantage". But they're right, because gaming gear of those two companies are famous for mouse precision and stuff like this.
Anyway nice pc Gl with it

no tbh they are more for show then practicle use sounds good on paper but i challenge you to see the difference in any serious gaming

they dont go to say im not after a razor keyboard/mouse and mouse mat (i actually need a mouse mat mine is kind of shite just gathers dirt)

Well true, good mouse needs to be expensive, and don't blame designers for their work, just because mouse looks flashy.By the way did you heard about Razer death adder? That's legendary mouse cuz it's so comfortable and made special for gaming. Besides it looks good. here some screenies:

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

i never said they where crap i said that you wouldnt notice the difference in the reaction times, there are plenty of comfortable mouses out there i got a bog standard one i find it nice

And mix you stil aint said why you need 2x295's?

also that picture of you must include you and a bananas (just so i know its not ripped from somewhere off the internet)

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:49 pm

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:And mix you stil aint said why you need 2x295's?

also that picture of you must include you and a bananas (just so i know its not ripped from somewhere off the internet)

i'll put in a special message to you

, and bananas. Tommorow or the day after i'll get the 2 295's so i'll post it when i have everything

[SD]Twysta · Post by **[SD]Twysta** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:38 pm

Your i7 will be bottlenecking because of the GTX295's.

I personally believe you'll have issues because it'll be quad GPU's.

Your wattage might not even actually cut it now that I think of it.

maxietheboss · Post by **maxietheboss** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:14 pm

[SD]Twysta wrote:Your i7 will be bottlenecking because of the GTX295's.

I personally believe you'll have issues because it'll be quad GPU's.

Your wattage might not even actually cut it now that I think of it.

We'll see, I first did a rough calculation with the PSU calculator on the internet. Then I asked some people over at hardforum and xtremesystem if the hx1000w would cut it and they all thought it was enough. We'll see how far it gets.
If the i7 will be clocked at at least 3.6Ghz I don't think it'll bottleneck, and at this would draw around 700 watts out of the socket. Just take a look at this article, http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-g ... ming-test/

.AWAKE. · Post by **.AWAKE.** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:24 pm

lol bro 1000W for 2 GTX 295's..
It will be exciting to see how this turns out lol, and hopefully not with warranty forms

BlackFox898 · Post by **BlackFox898** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:33 pm

you should buy some cheap cards instead and wait for DX11 cards in October from ATI or 1st quarter 2010 from nVidia. get like 2x gtx280 sli?

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