Iran

[heroo]

to be honest, i think the time has come for Iran to change.

Iran is not as it was anymore. People are enjoying more liberties than they did before, and now they want more liberties. People don't want to be controlled anymore. I think the current Islamic Gov't doesn't have much time left.

as for Jstar1: i can not believe you are that retared. really, i just can't.

[Barotix]

the one who controls the military is the one who needs to be overthrown, im not sure which one that is. Protesters can show support for the Iranian people but there should be NO intervention. By that i mean the US should not send in troops of any kind. Doctors maybe, if they want guns they can get them, they're cheap but we don't need another Iraq on our hands and this is clearly a civil conflict. No matter how many die, they've got legs, they'll get up and use em.

Individuals should help if they can. Foreign Governments should stay out of the coming Iranian Revolution. Sir, have my babies, no homo.

[XemnasXD]

if there even is one. No one is arming themselves and taking to the streets yet. Thats when you know something is really happening. Until then this is just oppression and protest.

[Avalanche]

if there even is one. No one is arming themselves and taking to the streets yet. Thats when you know something is really happening. Until then this is just oppression and protest.

Guns are not sold in Iran. What are they going to arm themselves with? All they can do at this moment is steal the batons off the military or pelt rocks.

In order to fix Iran, the Islamic Regime and the Mullah need to be overthrown.

Mousavi is no real different than Ahmadinejad, he is still a Islamic leader under the control of Khomeini and his regime.

Mousavi wouldn't be able to run for president unless he followed the Islamic Regime. Not much difference there. And yes, I know, he is better, but the problem needs to be fixed at the root. No need for this baby steps b.s., there needs to be change, big change.

[heroo]

yup, I agree with Avalanche.

It's nott he president who can make the change, it's all about Khomeini. He is the one who controls everything.

[lavapockets]

Well demographically speaking, the Iranian government is in for some serious trouble, and if it doesn't come now, it'll be soon. Something like 65% of the population is under 35? That means the mullahs and their old ways, the repression, the morality police, and the corruption are being challenged by the new generation. They want more freedoms, less restrictions, and to be part of the international community again. I really hope they succeed, people shouldn't be forced to live in fear of their governments.

Khameini has thrown his weight behind Ahmadinajad, that'll put him in a precarious position if things start to go badly for the government. He may be the Ayatollah, but he has to deal with the Assembly of Experts and the Supreme Council, and if the people can press long and hard enough against Ahmadinajad, they might be able to push the rest of the government to oust him and Khameini. I haven't heard anything about what Khatami is doing. He's probably on house arrest or (hopefully) somewhere safer than that. I'm not sure if he's involved himself publically with the protests yet, but he was extremely popular, and the government pressured him to back out of the race in Feb. by threatening assassination. His involvement could really give the protesters a lot of momentum.

The images coming out of Iran are so disturbing though. I hope the people don't back down, but seeing so many innocent people shot they will have to ask themselves if it's worth it to keep going. And to what end? Mousavi is pushing for new elections, but if he gets them, will he be strong enough to reform the government? And if he doesn't, does he have a plan to replace the government? This is where I think Khatami should step in, if they can get to that point.

[XemnasXD]

If there is one truth in this world it is that people who want guns will get guns.

[Avalanche]

If there is one truth in this world it is that people who want guns will get guns.

Giving guns to the Iranian people will just make things worse. The militia will start shooting everyone that deems a "threat".

[XemnasXD]

you think they'll peacefully protest the entire administration and Islamic regime out of power? good luck with that, besides they're already killing ppl just for having signs and assembling. Guns would only mean they can shoot back.

[Avalanche]

The militia is barely even using their power on the people. They could literally line up thousands of people and kill them if they want. Adding guns to the situation will get more people killed.

Who do you think will win? A trained army vs. a handful people with guns?

Lets say they do have guns. You think the Mullah is going to flee Iran? At this moment, they are untouchable.

If they run out of people in the Militia, all they will do is force recruits into the Army by threatening people and their families.

The U.S. can't step in. They are the ones who PUT the Islamic Regime in there in the freaken first place. The U.S. cannot meddle anymore in this Iranian affair. If the gov is doing a mass genocide of its people, which it is not (yet), then the U.S. will step in.

Do not get me wrong, Ahmadinejad needs to Farking die, same with Khomeini and his followers. They are making the image of Iran seem like they are part of the Axis of Evil.

[XemnasXD]

The militia is barely even using their power on the people. They could literally line up thousands of people and kill them if they want. Adding guns to the situation will get more people killed.

Who do you think will win? A trained army vs. a handful people with guns?
The American Revolution?

Lets say they do have guns. You think the Mullah is going to flee Iran? At this moment, they are untouchable.
I don't expect them to flee Mr.lAnChe, I expect them to die.
If they run out of people in the Militia, all they will do is force recruits into the Army by threatening people and their families.
doesn't make sense to draft the people you're fighting, eventually their numbers would present a completely armed and trained rebel force fighting to free their families from the gov't that's holding them hostage.

I know guns will just get more people killed and if they get enough guns it would probably result in a violent civil war that could last years but if the majority of the people do think the election was fixed and the majority of the people want change, they are going to have to arm themselves and fight. I never said the revolution was coming for Iran. I expect this protest thing to continue on for a couple more weeks and then die down as they accept their fate. If though they want to change something there is no way they can do it with simple protest. You're right, the regime is basically untouchable, you'd have to go around the established system to change something like that. You'd basically have to say "f*ck the system" and stand up.

If the US interferes they'll just set up another gov't that they will try to control that will ultimately rebel against them and continue the cycle thats been repeating itself ever since the 1950's. The US should not interfere militarily at all under any circumstances. It doesn't work. It has never worked. It only makes things worse in the long run.

[Avalanche]

The militia is barely even using their power on the people. They could literally line up thousands of people and kill them if they want. Adding guns to the situation will get more people killed.

Who do you think will win? A trained army vs. a handful people with guns?
The American Revolution?

Lets say they do have guns. You think the Mullah is going to flee Iran? At this moment, they are untouchable.
I don't expect them to flee Mr.lAnChe, I expect them to die.
If they run out of people in the Militia, all they will do is force recruits into the Army by threatening people and their families.
doesn't make sense to draft the people you're fighting, eventually their numbers would present a completely armed and trained rebel force fighting to free their families from the gov't that's holding them hostage.

I know guns will just get more people killed and if they get enough guns it would probably result in a violent civil war that could last years but if the majority of the people do think the election was fixed and the majority of the people want change, they are going to have to arm themselves and fight. I never said the revolution was coming for Iran. I expect this protest thing to continue on for a couple more weeks and then die down as they accept their fate. If though they want to change something there is no way they can do it with simple protest. You're right, the regime is basically untouchable, you'd have to go around the established system to change something like that. You'd basically have to say "f*ck the system" and stand up.

If the US interferes they'll just set up another gov't that they will try to control that will ultimately rebel against them and continue the cycle thats been repeating itself ever since the 1950's. The US should not interfere militarily at all under any circumstances. It doesn't work. It has never worked. It only makes things worse in the long run.

The American Revolution is a whoooooooole different game, you cannot compare the two at all. Both sides had great amounts of resources such as guns, ammo, and TRAINED soldiers. This revolution is between the unarmed people of Iran and the heavily armed government.

It is my dream for the Mullah to die. But not a quick death, I want them to experience the pain they put on the people of Iran.

When they have your family at gun point, you will do what they say. Sure there will be Rebel forces, but you have to remember there are also supporters for Ahmadinejad. Military service is MANDATORY. My father had to serve in the Military when he was younger [I am of Iranian decent if you have not noticed by now].

My Father/Mother lived in Iran during the Revolution 30 years ago. History is repeating itself, but I hope this time some damage can be done to the government.

I don't want the people to accept their fate, they have been suffering for too long and they deserve justice.

I know I said before that the U.S. cannot step in, and I agree what you said about the U.S. stepping in, but for fucks sake, they need to fix what they have done.

I wish there was an effective, quick way to take down the government. But what scares me now is that Iran has the working of "Nuclear Power"

[KylieMinogue]

i heard North Korea will attack people with their nuclear poop. SAY NO TO NKSRO = North Korean Silkroad Online.

[XemnasXD]

Iran's "Nuclear Power" would probably do more damage to Iran than any other country.

The best way for the US to fix what they started is to not do anything. History says if the US steps in you'll regret it later. Cuba, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Columbia, Venezuela, Afghanistan...this list goes on. If you love Iran pray the US doesn't interfere or you will just watch your country become someone else's bitch as it is torn apart from the inside out.

You don't want people to accept their fate. You don't want people to get arms and take their rights by force. So what do you want them to do and will it be effective at all....

Also if military service is mandatory than that means that a large percentage of the population already had access to military training. Do you think your father would kill those who opposed the regime while he was serving. If one person stands up then its easy to just kill him or make some threats. If 30, 40, or 50% of your military is refusing to kill their brothers, fathers, sisters, mothers, friends, whatever then you have a problem. To this day i can't understand how the gov't uses military might made up of its own citizens to oppress them. Again if it's just a few people then yeah it won't work but if you get some big numbers then they lose the numbers to back up those threats.

Sounds like both sides have access to trained soldiers. Guns are cheap and easy to get, ammo as well. If it erupts into civil war than people will choose sides and fight but its not like none of those soldiers on the gov'ts side will join the rebels.

[Barotix]

Trained soldiers? We had a bunch of scrubs. We had to steal ammo, guns, and cannons from the British. We had guerrilla tactics and balls of steal on our side. They almost whooped us in the war of 1812 too.

To this day i can't understand how the gov't uses military might made up of its own citizens to oppress them.

Propaganda usually takes care of that little discrepancy.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.

[Avalanche]

Trained soldiers? We had a bunch of scrubs. We had to steal ammo, guns, and cannons from the British. We had guerrilla tactics and balls of steal on our side. They almost whooped us in the war of 1812 too.

I'm talking about the American Revolution between North vs South, don't know which one he was going for.

Iran's "Nuclear Power" would probably do more damage to Iran than any other country.
How? I don't disagree or agree with this, don't know where you are coming from.

The best way for the US to fix what they started is to not do anything. History says if the US steps in you'll regret it later. Cuba, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Columbia, Venezuela, Afghanistan...this list goes on. If you love Iran pray the US doesn't interfere or you will just watch your country become someone else's bitch as it is torn apart from the inside out.
I am not saying for the U.S. to interfere with Iran's affairs, but I believe it would be different than Iraq. The Iraqis did NOT want the U.S. forces there, most of them wanted them out of the country. I think that the Iranians would gladly take help on overthrowing their corrupt government. But as I said, I do not endorse that idea.

You don't want people to accept their fate. You don't want people to get arms and take their rights by force. So what do you want them to do and will it be effective at all....
There is no effective outcome that will allow a low number of casualties, which is why I am iffy on what they should do. I still have family in Iran, and I would like them to still be alive when this is over.

Also if military service is mandatory than that means that a large percentage of the population already had access to military training. Do you think your father would kill those who opposed the regime while he was serving. If one person stands up then its easy to just kill him or make some threats. If 30, 40, or 50% of your military is refusing to kill their brothers, fathers, sisters, mothers, friends, whatever then you have a problem. To this day i can't understand how the gov't uses military might made up of its own citizens to oppress them. Again if it's just a few people then yeah it won't work but if you get some big numbers then they lose the numbers to back up those threats.
Over 60% of the population is young and in college, and they are the ones that are protesting mostly. If you are a student, an only father or son, you do not have to serve in the military. Those are the people protesting. They are not trained, they are just young people who a revolutionary mindset. And what about the women? They do not serve in the military either. Most the people in the military are supporters of Ahmadinejad.

Sounds like both sides have access to trained soldiers. Guns are cheap and easy to get, ammo as well. If it erupts into civil war than people will choose sides and fight but its not like none of those soldiers on the gov'ts side will join the rebels.
As I said in the previous paragraph, they are not trained, well most of them for that matter. If guns/ammo are so cheap and accessible, they would of been used by now.

[Vinyl]

what else do you expect from a caucasian-hating, women-hating, jew-hating, full-of-oil, islamic country?

Its still better then the u.s

Location: United Kingdom


i see..

[Deadsolid]

What they're doing is very admiring. I'm really hoping it will result in a revolution.

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." - V

What a fucking stupid quote. Why do some people think chaos is glorious and revolutions are the shit. Theyre not. Unless there's a real good fucking reason to overthrow a government, get people killed, an destabilize everything, people who want revolutions and people who think revolutions are cool fail at life. Governments are there for a reason - its to prevent dipshits from turning the world into a gong show and to keep them in control.

God I hope your not an american. Although it proves how ignorant some Americans are of even their own history.

[Reise]

I'm talking about the American Revolution between North vs South, don't know which one he was going for.

You mean the Civil War...

[Avalanche]

I'm talking about the American Revolution between North vs South, don't know which one he was going for.

You mean the Civil War...

fml I fail history. Well "technically" its kind of a revolution..

[TOloseGT]

lol

[Avalanche]

=(

[Barotix]

What they're doing is very admiring. I'm really hoping it will result in a revolution.

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." - V

What a fucking stupid quote. Why do some people think chaos is glorious and revolutions are the shit. Theyre not. Unless there's a real good fucking reason to overthrow a government, get people killed, an destabilize everything, people who want revolutions and people who think revolutions are cool fail at life. Governments are there for a reason - its to prevent dipshits from turning the world into a gong show and to keep them in control.

God I hope your not an american. Although it proves how ignorant some Americans are of even their own history.

He's a Nationalist.

[Avalanche]

What a fucking stupid quote. Why do some people think chaos is glorious and revolutions are the shit. Theyre not. Unless there's a real good fucking reason to overthrow a government, get people killed, an destabilize everything, people who want revolutions and people who think revolutions are cool fail at life. Governments are there for a reason - its to prevent dipshits from turning the world into a gong show and to keep them in control.

Wow I didn't even read this quote. Are you an idiot? Do you even know what the "government" is doing to the Iranian people? Making women seem as second class citizens? Going to colleges and beating the shit out of students? Arresting anyone who even speaks a foul word against them? Pelting rocks and killing women who are not virgins before marriage? The most unbalanced line between poverty riches causing an economic collapse? Forced into a religion with no acceptance or tolerance of anything else?

The list goes on forever.

Please, if that is an ideal for of government to you, go kill yourself.

[TOloseGT]

ppl need to stop being so reactionary

[dom]

I support the ousting of any religion, in any form, in any country, under any circumstances.

[lavapockets]

I am not saying for the U.S. to interfere with Iran's affairs, but I believe it would be different than Iraq. The Iraqis did NOT want the U.S. forces there, most of them wanted them out of the country. I think that the Iranians would gladly take help on overthrowing their corrupt government. But as I said, I do not endorse that idea.

The absolute LAST thing the Iranian people want is for the U.S. to interfere, whether they know it or not. If you think the Iranian government is being oppressive now, you don't want to see what they'll do if the U.S. shows any signs or promotes any sort of action that could possibly be construed as helping the protesters. The Revolutionary Guard is highly trained, and extremely loyal to Ahmedinajad and Khomeini. They will not hesitate to mass murder Iranian citizens if they believe the U.S. is in any way involved, and they will find a way to justify it to their soldiers.

The Iranian people should have absolutely no problems securing weapons to fight the Iranian government with. God knows the Iraqis will sell them some, so will the Egyptians, the Pakistanis, the Kurds (who conduct operations in and from northern Iran across borders), probably the Afghanis, and maybe even some Israeli arms brokers who want to see Ahmedinajad take it up the ass. If they want guns they will find some.

[Avalanche]

The Iranian people should have absolutely no problems securing weapons to fight the Iranian government with. God knows the Iraqis will sell them some, so will the Egyptians, the Pakistanis, the Kurds (who conduct operations in and from northern Iran across borders), probably the Afghanis, and maybe even some Israeli arms brokers who want to see Ahmedinajad take it up the ass. If they want guns they will find some.

If they will mass murder if the highly trained soldiers of the United States Military interfered, how do you think they would react if the Iranians themselves have guns? Either way, there would be a mass murder.

The only person who can actually take Ahmadinejad down is "The Shark". If you don't know who that is, research him.

[/Pi]

I support the ousting of any religion, in any form, in any country, under any circumstances.

[TheDrop]

The only person who can actually take Ahmadinejad down is "The Shark". If you don't know who that is, research him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tenta ?


Edit: Nvm its this guy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight ... _make.html