Canadian Seal Hunt 2009

[Isis]

I just think it is sick, and should be stopped!!! Animals are not put on this earth for humans to skin for fur and have fun killing!! Who gave us the right?

[*BlackFox]

I just think it is sick, and should be stopped!!! Animals are not put on this earth for humans to skin for fur and have fun killing!! Who gave us the right?

yeah that's true, we don't need any fck fur..

[wootpops]

they have been doing it for years
the seals reproduce who gives a ****. you guys don't even know the real story or whatever your just going off what the news said. until someone from the north posts in this topic ill say ON WITH THE SHOW.

[Isis]

they have been doing it for years
the seals reproduce who gives a ****. you guys don't even know the real story or whatever your just going off what the news said. until someone from the north posts in this topic ill say ON WITH THE SHOW.

And then there will come to a point when they have run out of seals to kill.

[Reise]

I'm cool with eating meat and all that jazz, but there's a difference between raising an animal for the express purpose of being hamburger, and going out into the wilderness to kill baby animals just so you can sell their fur. At least with domestic livestock most of the animal is used, with this they just throw the skinned seal aside and keep the skins.

[BloodyBlade]

Well, there IS something you can do;

http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/seal_hunt_09
fill in your email adres and names, and uncheck the box if you want, you'll only get one email.

[XemnasXD]

i think the real question is where are the parents...

[_Lana_]

i think the real question is where are the parents...

They probably keep them in cages so they can make more baby's for the bastards to kill.

[Blindfire]

And then there will come to a point when they have run out of seals to kill.

If seals become an endangered species, the hunt won't take place.

[woutR]

I'm cool with eating meat and all that jazz, but there's a difference between raising an animal for the express purpose of being hamburger, and going out into the wilderness to kill baby animals just so you can sell their fur. At least with domestic livestock most of the animal is used, with this they just throw the skinned seal aside and keep the skins.

So it's okay to breed animals specifically to kill and eat them, but it's not okay to go into the wild and kill cubs for their fur?
Exactly what is the difference between this, besides that the cubs have a better life up until their death?
Also, does it really matter how much of the animal we use? It's justified to kill an animal if we're going to use 50% of him in another product, but not if it's only 30%?

It's just really strange killing cubs is suddenly wrong, but crossbreeding cows and genetically modifying their genes for increased meat and creating them just to be eaten is fine.
A lot of animals suffer quite some nasty side affects from gen modification for increased profit and they suffer this their entire life. That's just fine, and killing a damn cub is not?

It's hypocrite to condone the suffering of a group millions of times larger than the seal cubs, and say it's bad that cubs are being slaughtered.


And to lana, the parents are getting fish for the cubs. There is no such thing as a seal farm. If there were seal farms, the cubs would most likely be electrocuted. Even if they weren't electrocuted you wouldn't see images of men running over ice to get to a cub, since the cubs would most likely be kept in cages.
It's called a hunt for a reason.

[Isis]

And then there will come to a point when they have run out of seals to kill.

If seals become an endangered species, the hunt won't take place.

Yeah, but they would become an endangered species because humans think they have the right to slaughter them in the first place... Then other species would suffer because their numbers have dwindled.

[_Lana_]

Killing for food = Surviving
Killing for fur = Killing poor animals to get rich from their death.

[Reise]

stuff

Well, first of all, the seal hunt is hardly a hunt. Wait for the parents to head underwater for food, then round up the babies and beat them to death while they're gone.

Second, it's not the same as harvesting livestock. Those animals are bred and brought up in farms, in the wild cows are nothing but food for predators anyway. When we slaughter them we aren't leaving their carcasses all over the place to rot. Something like 99% of every animal is used for products from meat and food to leather and shit like that. Killing animals for their fur alone is far worse to me, and I'd bet money that the baby seals suffer far more than a pampered cow eating scientifically perfected grain all its life in a stall until it's old enough to butcher. The difference is the seals' lives are literally being wasted. Domestic livestock is at least used completely.

[F-22]

most of you guys or girls here have missunderstood the killing of baby seal. there is a different between killing animals for food and clothes. food is something you need to have to survive. for clothes, you dont need to wear seal fur, silk or cotton would work also. just because people kill other animals to use their skin to make clothes that does not make it right for the sealers to skin the baby seals. two wrongs dont make a right. this is not a math class where two negatives equal a positive.

[F-22]

i think the real question is where are the parents...

the parents are off to hunting in the water, the parents need to find food for themselves too.

wootpops,

do you know the truth to this? seems like you have the answer? please enlighten us with your ignorant comments.

[takolin]

Killing for food = Surviving
Killing for fur = Killing poor animals to get rich from their death.

Killing for fur = being warm in the winter.

[Reise]

Killing for food = Surviving
Killing for fur = Killing poor animals to get rich from their death.

Killing for fur = being warm in the winter.

Well this would be true if you either A)Lived in the woods apart from all civilization, or B)Lived in the middle ages and were a viking.

[_Lana_]

C) Didn't know what this is

[takolin]

C) Didn't know what this is

But then the sheep are cold and that's not nice either.

[_Lana_]

Oh they are not cold,obviously you have no idea.

Sheep keeps kids warm during winters,no need to kill them for that.
While killing baby seals doesn't do that.

Its sold to some fashion designers in Paris or other hot fashion spot in Europe...

This ------> This -----> This

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[Isis]

What happened to fake fur, man made fabric to keep warm? People don't need to butcher these seals for their fur, they are doing it to make money.

I just don't understand the people that think this right for people to be able to do this? So tell me, is it ok to slaughter an African elephant for their ivory? Or to kill a shark just for their fins then just to chuck the rest of the shark (alive) back into the sea? Or to kill a gorilla for their hands to make ash trays?

[Grimjaw]

What happened to fake fur, man made fabric to keep warm? People don't need to butcher these seals for their fur, they are doing it to make money.

Indeed. The fat pigs require original fur and not the cheap trashy stuff the common people wear, they are celebrities after all. People who wear the fur of dead animals do so because they know it's disliked and looked upon with disdain by the sane, yet gets applauded and praised by the insane. Which means it's a hard sought out and expensive piece of clothing which will have no other function then to fill the head of some bulimic overly gay fashion designer with feelings of long lost self-importance. Meanwhile animals have their fur torn from their skin and literally go through hell just because some rich fat ass can decorate his 2nd cocaine sniffing wife on the side. Meanwhile we the 'common people' get swamped with commercials begging us to donate a few bucks to help save the poor seals, who are so violently beat down, and who have been separated from their parents and who had their fur brutally torn from their bodies. Sure, donate a few bucks, but nothing will change. But hey, you spend some bucks so you did you're part right? You would be donating into a endless money pit. I wonder if the people who endorse those disgusting acts also get the same commercials on their cable.

[R-um]

blablabla.. icebears still would have killed them! ^^

[lavapockets]

they have been doing it for years
the seals reproduce who gives a ****. you guys don't even know the real story or whatever your just going off what the news said. until someone from the north posts in this topic ill say ON WITH THE SHOW.

Yea...the fact that they've being doing it for years makes is no less reprehensible. I never go off of what one source says, I read the opposing sides argument as well. The Canadian fisheries representatives say that these hunts are conducted in accordance with animal cruelty standards in Canada. However, independent observers, including members of IFAW and the Humane Society have observed sealers breaking the rules set by the Canadian government.

The rules set by the Canadian government are there to ensure as minimal suffering as possible before the seals die. However, due to the competitive nature of the hunt, sealers rush to "tap" as many seals as possible. A lot of the time sealers don't check if the animals are still conscious before they slit them open, some drag them with hooks across the ice while they're still alive, and some shoot the animals and leave them wounded, but alive and suffering, so they can immobilize as many animals as possible. Those are disgusting practices. Not only are they disgusting, but they're also illegal under Canada's laws.

But let's talk economics. There are a lot of people that find the hunt disgusting. So much so that the market for seal fur has almost completely collapsed. That makes the seal fur trade less profitable. Those guys, for all those seals they kill, only take home about $1000. The Canadian government spends millions on public relations just trying to convince everyone the hunt is economically necessary. So Canadians are wasting tax money defending a profession that's horrendous, and the sealers only get a $1000 out of it. If I was a Canadian and my government was wasting millions of my tax dollars so some jackass sealer/fisherman could make a grand massacring baby seals, I'd be super pissed. Especially since those guys make WAY more money the rest of the year by fishing.

[Hostage]

I'm more disgusted by the moronic opinions expressed here then by the actions its self ( more s from the girls then the guys). Other then lava all I really see his redundant bickering with your panties giving you a wedgy and, really, all that your argument is boiling down too is " awww, look how cute they are how can you kill them?".

Cattle are kept, from birth, in closed cages to prevent them from growing muscle mass leaving them tender until they're finally slaughter and shipped off to where ever the demand is. Chinas Crescent moon bear is hunted to no ends and the ones who do escape never do so without giving up a limp or two forced to live a life without a foot, a leg, brain damage etc. Shit like this happens all over the world. So my point being rather then slathering your pms juice all over forums telling us how much your disgusted by these things--do something--sign a petition or two, get off your ass. Other wise you're no better and you deserve the right to stfu and find yourself an anime topic because your opinion means squat here.

As for the seal hunt, I'm strongly against it myself, not so much because the seals give me a warm cuddly feeling inside but because it's outdated. I see no need in brutally killing animals if we have no gain in it as humanity especially if I, as a tax payer have to pay for their gear etc, and then there's is no end profit. Alas the world isn't that black and white and bills have to be passed, treaty's have to be acknowledged, rights (aboriginal) have to be respected.

There is hope however all you need to do is google Bill S-229 and a whole bunch of options pop up, letters you can send, petitions you can sign etc.

/rant

gonna grab a bite to eat before the prepubescent children try to force feed me there opinions now.

EDIT:
Just saw lava posted again, I'll have to read it later and re-edit my post accordingly.

[BloodyBlade]

About the sheeps, in Australia(and other countries probably too, but I haven't found any info on that) the skin of the sheep is cut off at the end, Dunno why, should check that

Oh btw, without painkillers.

[Reise]

So my point being rather then slathering your pms juice all over forums telling us how much your disgusted by this do something, sign a petition or two, get off your ass. Other wise you're no better and you deserve the right to stfu and find an anime topic because your opinion means squat here.

Not all of us live in Canada, bro.

[TheDrop]

Its not really about the "cuteness" of the animals. What I find stupid is that the hunters just go there and kill the animals just for their fur. There is a difference between killing animals for food and killing animals for fun or for fancy clothing. Meat is needed for proteins, its needed to feed people. Clothing made of animal fur is not necessary; you can always wear fabric. Killing seals just for their fur, not for anything else is like killing elephants just for their ivory, killing whales for fun/their blubber, killing rhinos for their horns, antelopes for their antlers, tigers/lions just for their skins. The seal hunters dont hunt the seals for their meat to put food on their tables or something, they kill em to sell the fur to some rich people who are too fashionable for fabrics.

If seals become an endangered species, the hunt won't take place.

Why wait till they are about to be extinct? Why not take actions before.

[Hostage]

So my point being rather then slathering your pms juice all over forums telling us how much your disgusted by this do something, sign a petition or two, get off your ass. Other wise you're no better and you deserve the right to stfu and find an anime topic because your opinion means squat here.

Not all of us live in Canada, bro.

Point.

...but I'm sure you're allowed to sign an online petition regardless of your country.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/end-al ... bill-s-229

It just shows a global awareness of the matter. Sign it and save me some tax money, bro.

[Reise]

It just shows a global awareness of the matter. Sign it and save me some tax money, bro.

Signed.