Religion ( a must see )

[Shomari]

ouija is a part of the truth science doesn't understand yet

lololololol, troll moar!

you surely didn't investigate many stories about ouija board

What about dem UFOs thangs I be seying up in dat sky?

[McLovin1t]

ouija is a part of the truth science doesn't understand yet

lololololol, troll moar!

[EvGa]

ouija is a part of the truth science doesn't understand yet

lololololol, troll moar!

You obviously didn't read the entire dialogue... unless that roll eye is at NS. I'm not going to teach basic biology to NS and with replies like his, it's obvious he is trolling or has no desire to educate himself.

you surely didn't investigate many stories about ouija board

I will, right after you come back and show you have even the slightest understanding about the theory of evolution. It's funny you will accept the stories of a few ouija board users, but not accept the millions studies and empirical evidence in support of evolution.

[NuclearSilo]

It's funny you will accept the stories of a few ouija board users, but not accept the millions studies and empirical evidence in support of evolution.

Because I experienced with ouija board, with eyes and the touch. And about the evolution theory, I only "hear" from other people who "hear" from other people who "hear" from other people, etc...

[MasterKojito]

It's funny you will accept the stories of a few ouija board users, but not accept the millions studies and empirical evidence in support of evolution.

Because I experienced with ouija board, with eyes and the touch. And about the evolution theory, I only "hear" from other people who "hear" from other people who "hear" from other people, etc...

I only hear about ouija boards, I won't accept them, period.

[NuclearSilo]

So you also hear about evolution

[TOloseGT]

Does that mean you don't believe in the orbits of the outer planets?

[NuclearSilo]

Does that mean you don't believe in the orbits of the outer planets?

I do. Why wouldn't I?

[BuDo]

And it is these unanswerable questions which makes it wise to take an agnostic approach. I will not try to foolishly prove or refute that of which I know nothing about.

Atheism (prefix 'a') is simply to live under the assumption that there is no deity intervening in daily affairs in one's life. It doesn't mean you accept evolution or you hate god. You can be an atheist and wish there was a god and reject evolution. It's a great assumption to make if you believe atheists want to disprove god, which is laughable in itself because that's like trying to punch air. To be a fence-straddler for equally absurd reasoning is delusional at best (Delusional in the sense that you believe it to be the wisest position). Science does not try to "disprove god". The only thing science-oriented people bring to the table is empirical evidence for guidelines to how our natural planet works. The fact that they're inconsistent with religious texts or that a god is not required to answer essential questions to our being is another matter entirely.

How does being a "fence-straddler" delusional when everything in our existence ("empirical" evidence" and "beliefs") is questionable and subjected to revision? I think the delusion here is debating on issues that clearly cannot be resolved. In my book anything is possible but nothing is certain. I choose no sides but simply wait while enjoying my time. I am not the Websters definition of an agnostic that you think I am but rather a variant.

[TOloseGT]

Does that mean you don't believe in the orbits of the outer planets?

I do. Why wouldn't I?

The orbit of Neptune, based on established scientific principles and extrapolation, is calculated to be around 160 years. Humans can only witness a fraction of Neptune's orbit, through the use of a telescope and the right days of the year where Earth's orientation and your location on Earth allows you to see it.

Since no one can ever see the entire orbit, and since nothing artificial has yet landed on Neptune or has followed Neptune's orbit around the Sun, does that mean you don't believe in the orbit of Neptune?

How does being a "fence-straddler" delusional when everything in our existence ("empirical" evidence" and "beliefs") is questionable and subjected to revision? I think the delusion here is debating on issues that clearly cannot be resolved. In my book anything is possible but nothing is certain. I choose no sides but simply wait while enjoying my time. I am not the Websters definition of an agnostic that you think I am but rather a variant.[/color]

For the first time in human history, people have created a method that can almost without doubt prove the existence of certain truths of the universe, based on our understanding of it and using our terms (math, science, physics, gravity etc).

Like it or not, certain scientific theories are much more developed and can explain our world much more in depth than any religious text can.

You can't logically state that evolution and creation are 50:50, because the evidence suggests something much different.

It's OK to believe in whatever you like, but when you delude yourself into thinking all theories are equal, and actively engage in a discussion on the basis of such a belief, it's hard to take you seriously.

EDIT:

woops, Neptune, being a gaseous planet, most likely does not have a solid surface similar to the rocky planets.

[NuclearSilo]

Since no one can ever see the entire orbit, and since nothing artificial has yet landed on Neptune or has followed Neptune's orbit around the Sun, does that mean you don't believe in the orbit of Neptune?

Since it's about math and physic, "1+1=2", then logically, if the calculation is correct, there is no doubt. But in evolution, no math no physic involved, it's biology. And you are assuming the mutations, the changes of gene you witness nowadays is also the same in the past. And since there were none scientist at that time to investigate genes, it's not sure that in the past there was even any mutation, thus evolution.

For the first time in human history, people have created a method that can almost without doubt prove the existence of certain truths of the universe, based on our understanding of it and using our terms (math, science, physics, gravity etc).

Then I have to remind you that our understanding of anything is still limited, therefore can't verify/prove/validate something beyond our understanding.
And also to remind you, just because you can't verify/prove/validate something, doesn't mean it can't exist.

[PR0METHEUS]

To say that a God has given people free will entirely refutes the purpose of free will in the first place. Do you not see the paradox? If we do have free will it's because we have no other choice.

Wonderful.

Perhaps a better way to put it is this:

Religion always taught me that God is omniscient, but also teaches that God gives us free will. If God is omniscient (all knowing), how can we possibly have free will? We are free to do anything that our hearts desire, but God already knows precisely what we are going to do, and the exact moment we will do it, every single time? He has a plan laid out, it's our destiny... but we have free will to choose our own path in life.

I could have chosen to not write this post, but God is omniscient, so he already knew what was going to happen and therefore I had no choice but to type these words in this post. Everyone who is going to respond to me, will do it whether they like it or not, because God already knows if you will or not... but you have the free will to decide to hit 'reply'...

I don't saw, but at least I don't assume something I didn't witness

Did you witness your parents having sex to conceive you? Did you witness the sperm and egg combine, multiply, and divide to create you? Or do you just assume, because your parents told you you are their child, that it is true? How do you know? You didn't witness it. Doctors and scientists can show you DNA test results and everything to prove it, but using your logic, I guess you'll still question whether or not they are your parents... or even whether or not you are really human.

[CeLL]

there is no free will. there is NO effect without first being a cause.

it isnt about you in the train situation its about the retatrds driving them. that is a very poor example, you dissapoint me.

[CeLL]

your example implies that god doesnt have control of the trains and the trains are greater than he is. the thought of free will gives man power OVER god.
*god wants something to happen, my free will overpowers god, i win, he goes and eats a sandwich.

he is the first cause and the final effect. no effect happens without an initial cause. there are plenty of stories that indicate the involvement of god in the actions of man. pharaohs weak heart was hardened by god. god gave joseph a dream that made his brothers jealous that caused them to sell him into egyptian slavery that lead him to prevent famine which lead to the enslavement of the egyptians, which lead to the future enslavement of israel. free will is an illusion.

[CeLL]

dont mean to offend. o.0

[PR0METHEUS]

your example implies that god doesnt have control of the trains and the trains are greater than he is. the thought of free will gives man power OVER god.
*god wants something to happen, my free will overpowers god, i win, he goes and eats a sandwich.

he is the first cause and the final effect. no effect happens without an initial cause. there are plenty of stories that indicate the involvement of god in the actions of man. pharaohs weak heart was hardened by god. god gave joseph a dream that made his brothers jealous that caused them to sell him into egyptian slavery that lead him to prevent famine which lead to the enslavement of the egyptians, which lead to the future enslavement of israel. free will is an illusion.

I can agree that we don't have the free will to do whatever we want regardless of what happened in the past. However, I feel we do have the free will to choose how to react to different situations. In your example, God gave Joseph a dream and it made his brothers jealous. His brothers weren't forced to be jealous, they chose it. Their jealousy could have caused them to kill Joseph instead of sell him to slavery, but they chose the latter.

As God was giving Joseph the dream, did he already know that the brothers would get jealous, sell him into slavery to cause the prevention of famine, egyptian enslavement, etc., etc?

Religion tells us that God has a place in Heaven for everyone who believes in him, and 'burn in hell' for those who don't believe. If he is truly omnicient, then he already knows who will believe and who will not. It's all laid out. So there's no point in even trying to recruit others into or out of religion because it's already been decided for us. But we're destined to continue this conversation anyway because that's how it's been laid out.

[CeLL]

Religion tells us that God has a place in Heaven for everyone who believes in him, and 'burn in hell' for those who don't believe. If he is truly omnicient, then he already knows who will believe and who will not. It's all laid out. So there's no point in even trying to recruit others into or out of religion because it's already been decided for us. But we're destined to continue this conversation anyway because that's how it's been laid out.

this is why i dont believe religion. i believe what the bible states. http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d020806.htm
religious people can have fun floating in space all they want.

[TOloseGT]

Since no one can ever see the entire orbit, and since nothing artificial has yet landed on Neptune or has followed Neptune's orbit around the Sun, does that mean you don't believe in the orbit of Neptune?

Since it's about math and physic, "1+1=2", then logically, if the calculation is correct, there is no doubt. But in evolution, no math no physic involved, it's biology. And you are assuming the mutations, the changes of gene you witness nowadays is also the same in the past. And since there were none scientist at that time to investigate genes, it's not sure that in the past there was even any mutation, thus evolution.

For the first time in human history, people have created a method that can almost without doubt prove the existence of certain truths of the universe, based on our understanding of it and using our terms (math, science, physics, gravity etc).

Then I have to remind you that our understanding of anything is still limited, therefore can't verify/prove/validate something beyond our understanding.
And also to remind you, just because you can't verify/prove/validate something, doesn't mean it can't exist.

Math and Physics are wholly human creations developed through constant testing and analysis. It's funny you believe in Physics, and I assume the numerous theories attached to that branch of science, and yet fail to realize that the theory of evolution came about under similar techniques, through the use of the scientific method.

[John_Doe]

Then I have to remind you that our understanding of anything is still limited, therefore can't verify/prove/validate something beyond our understanding.
And also to remind you, just because you can't verify/prove/validate something, doesn't mean it can't exist.

Our understanding of our natural world is solid, we can explain the change of seasons, tornadoes, tides, why we orbit the sun, etc, please do tell me what is this thing that is still beyond our knowledge yet you seem to have a grasp on it enough to declare us ignorant of it.
And also to remind you, just because you can't verify/prove/validate something, doesn't mean it can't exist.
And this has got to be the laziest and most ignorant excuse so far. Unless you have anything to back up your claims please do stop throwing BS around as it does nothing to help your case.

One thing at a time.

[EvGa]

Awesome. Had to post this.

[TOloseGT]

eww, apple butter on a biscuit, that kid is disgusting =P

[Nick Invaders]

That was awesome.

[CeLL]

eww, apple butter on a biscuit, that kid is disgusting =P

are you Farking kidding me? thats the best shit ever.

[Amarisa]

i have a question now.

i was watching a video and it said "you can not find god anywhere in the cosmos that he has made." so we have been in space been to the moon all that fun stuff. then why did god get mad when man made a tower to reach the heavens? then gave us all these languages.....

[CeLL]

i have a question now.

i was watching a video and it said "you can not find god anywhere in the cosmos that he has made." so we have been in space been to the moon all that fun stuff. then why did god get mad when man made a tower to reach the heavens? then gave us all these languages.....

"and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do"
it was far deeper than the building itself. from what i gather it has to do with gaining knowledge prematurely. man wasnt prepared for whatever was being done within or with the tower. dont forget that prior to this the "Sons of God" came to the earth, mated with women and taught all manner of sciences and such (this is touched on in the book of enoch, but that book is full of innacuracies). their children remained on (possibly returned to) the earth after the flood. these children were rather vicious and saught to oppress mankind.

[TheDrop]

Religion tells us that God has a place in Heaven for everyone who believes in him, and 'burn in hell' for those who don't believe.

Thats wrong.
christianity = religion
all religions =/= christianity.

[EvGa]

are you Farking kidding me? thats the best shit ever.

+1 I came.

[TOloseGT]

sick

[Pinoy_Archer]

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i like to add more when i come back from school

[McLovin1t]

You obviously didn't read the entire dialogue... unless that roll eye is at NS. I'm not going to teach basic biology to NS and with replies like his, it's obvious he is trolling or has no desire to educate himself.

Of course i am rolling at NS. Why would I roll at you, I agree with you haha