Do you guys believe in god?

[Twist]

I believe in myself.Lol at kids discussing about God!/FAAACEEEEPAAAALM

[MrPharmacist]

Which God are we talking about?

agnostic here!

[caseyd4]

Ironically Enough, Granpa.

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[nohunta]

Does anyone here know how to build a pyramid of huge square blocks and make it to be a perfect point at the top?

[Jstar1]

@Grandpa

I'm not here to argue about "evil". The bible can be interpreted in so many different ways that it is guarenteed that people will fight over it. So, debating "evil" is something that is going to go nowhere because everything depends on how every person interprets the bible, including the story of Job.

I'm just wondering why some people believe in the bible when its full of hypocrisy.

[Grandpa]

A guy named "Paul" spoke of suffering:

"If we are children [of the Promise], then we are also heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Messiah - provided we are suffering with him in order also to be glorified with him. I don't think the sufferings we are going through now are even worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed to us in the future."

Regarding hypocrisy (so called) I would point out that God gave us a law that none have followed. Are convicts allowed to speak out against Justice? Sure they are. It doesn't change anything though, they are still punished. Jesus understood the law of God and rephrased it: Love God above all else and love others as yourself. The man who didn't sin stepped in and the requirements of the old agreement (you shall surely die) was paid. A new agreement was made: "I will exchange my righteousness for your shame".

The law was good, but its purpose was only to bring us to the understanding that we could not fulfill it. It pointed to Christ, the Lamb sacrifice. Do we still offer the sacrifice of bulls and sheep? Would it please God if we did? He says that it does not. Jesus became both the Priest and the Sacrifice. He alone was authorized to offer the new agreement. Seems like a sweet deal to me. The spirit of the new deal is magnificent. But if I hoped only for myself and not for all, would I not be breaking my part of the agreement?

I find "hypocrisy" within elements of those who call themselves believers but want to exclude others from the best deal on earth. God is infinite, infinity minus anything equals infinity, why be stingy?

~Granps

[NuclearSilo]

Hey! Who said that before God created the love, the happiness, etc... the world was full of evil and bad things?

Certainly not me. God IS love and is not capable of evil. My favorite book of the Christian bible is James, the 1st chapter of which expressed this very well. James 1:13

Actually I pulled the above definition of evil out of my hat, it's just something I read somewhere along the line. It isn't dogma but only used to illustrate a point. God is not culpable or blameworthy, neither is His intent nor purpose. He doesn't need me to defend Him. I'm just responding to another person's request here. It's clear, NuclearSilo, we have entirely different worldviews.

Would it be fair of me to call you a Theistic Existentialist, a Rationalist or a Empiricist? I'm confused by most of the things you say due most likely to my ignorance of your belief set.

What i understand is that u told me that evil comes from the lack of smt, when smt is not present. After that, i told u that the Empty is the absent of everything, therefore it's full of evil.
But after that, u deny that truth

It's your worldview or whatever, but it needs to be realistic and apply to all case.

[Grandpa]

What i understand is that u told me that evil comes from the lack of smt, when smt is not present.

I was speaking to Jstar1, not you. The discussion regarding "The Empty", "The Nothing" and "Evil" is a sidenote to that conversation. I still don't understand you. I could have just as easily said "Evil is either passive or active". It was my hope that readers would understand.

After that, i told u that the Empty is the absent of everything, therefore it's full of evil.
But after that, u deny that truth

You told me that you were using my definition of Evil - one that I have stated is not dogma, it was a butterfly flitting through my mind for a moment only, a featureless feather fogged in my imagination, a remnant of a ghost, long ago lost.

It's your worldview or whatever, but it needs to be realistic and apply to all case.

If I said, "Understanding is to depart evil," would you understand?
Ontological discussions about essence and philosophical questions about existence such as, "What is the meaning, if any, of questions regarding non-physical abstractions?" are beyond me. I'd rather leave that up to those who have studied metaphysics sufficiently. I haven't.

[XemnasXD]

good and evil are perspectives first and foremost therefore your good and evil do not exist outside of you.

[Stress]

good and evil are perspectives first and foremost therefore your good and evil do not exist outside of you.

!!!!!!!!

Here you see why modern society has so little room for God. Be noted that Einstein's relativity is subject to itself. Truth is not relative. The Truth is absolute, and the Truth is God.

[Reise]

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Here you see why modern society has so little room for God. Be noted that Einstein's relativity is subject to itself. Truth is not relative. The Truth is absolute, and the Truth is God.

My sarcasm detector is broken, so I'll give you my response anyway.

[TOloseGT]

er...Truth isn't God

[Stress]

God is truth and Truth is God. To make everything relative as Einstein says is to deny the existence of absolute truth. And absolute truth is God. He is the Path, the Truth and the Life.

[TOloseGT]

weird, my truth is waking up everyday and going about my business, my path is doing homework and partying wit friends, my life is Godless and fantastic, albeit stressful at times.

[Stress]

weird, my truth is waking up everyday and going about my business, my path is doing homework and partying wit friends, my life is Godless and fantastic, albeit stressful at times.

Your understanding of truth, path and life is shallow. There's much more to life than it being fantastic. There's much more to one's path through life than partying with friends and doing homework, and above all, there's so much more to truth than waking up everyday and going about your business.

In fact, the greater truth is that the next day of our life is not ours. It is in the hands of God and we should be grateful for living every single day. That is my truth and that is what I live by. God created everything with His word, and at His word, all can be blown away.

Your path is all about partying with friends, and enjoying your life. Of course we all want to enjoy our lives. As you enjoy yours, I enjoy mine, living for Jesus Christ. The path I am on takes me to Heaven, though it may be hard and I may feel pain, I know where it takes me. Do you know where you are heading to?

And finally, there's the life. "We have only one life to live, so let's do it to the full!". That's a highly nihilist approach. Are all of you who claim we are the result of some cosmic coincidence satisfied with this answer regarding the existential questions we all have? Are you pleased with yourself defined as the result of coincidence and of a very narrow probability actually coming true? I wouldn't settle for just that. Saying we are all worthless is an insult to God himself, because

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

I believe in a life after death and I believe that the way we live this life will directly influence how we will live the next one.

[TOloseGT]

no, my understanding of "truth, path, life" isn't shallow. i know exactly what i want to do in life and how to achieve it. i love waking up everyday and i'm alive no thx to "God". guess where i'm heading to? the real world. i'll work, i'll start a family, i'll die. i really could care less what happens after death cuz i don't let it govern my life right now. on my deathbed, i'll know that i have lived a good life when i look up and see my family, my kids and grandkids. if ur "God" can't see me for who i am, then fk him, he doesn't deserve respect.

[Stress]

He does sees you for who you are: a sinner. So am I. But that's why he wants to redeem and save you. And that's why he wants you to live for Him, because He lived to die for you. Why did he do that? Because he loves you and he wants you.

I wouldn't like to continue this argument out in the open. If you got something else to say, then PM me and I'm willing to talk. Otherwise, leave it as it is. I don't want to look like I'm stirring up conflict or flaming. Calling your understanding "shallow" was the first mistake, I wouldn't want a second one.

[Reise]

Jeez Stress, your preaching gave me a headache.

Does anyone ever think that the real test of life is to free yourself from bullshit? Like for example, to look past all the things people keep telling you and see life for what it is.

[Stress]

Yes, indeed, I was just about to write down half a page of text just to explain were "Jeez" comes from and why it's not appropriate to be used without showing respect to the one whose name is used.

[Reise]

Respect for who, Jesus? He wasn't the only person to be crucified by the Romans you know.

[Stress]

I was being sarcastic, Reise. I know and understand your point. This needn't go any further.

[Asteroid]

He does sees you for who you are: a sinner. So am I. But that's why he wants to redeem and save you. And that's why he wants you to live for Him, because He lived to die for you. Why did he do that? Because he loves you and he wants you.

I wouldn't like to continue this argument out in the open. If you got something else to say, then PM me and I'm willing to talk. Otherwise, leave it as it is. I don't want to look like I'm stirring up conflict or flaming. Calling your understanding "shallow" was the first mistake, I wouldn't want a second one.

I dont understand it when i see billboards saying
" I died for your sins " - Jesus

I question, how did he die for our sins when we have yet to commit any, when i watched the passion of christ, if he would have died for anyones sins, it should have been the romans and jews. The jews for allowing such cruelty done to a man and the romans for convicting him of something he didnt do willingly but brought upon him.

Now the bible, churches and other Christianity/Catholicism followers telling us he died for our sins when he already made the sacrifice long ago. How could he have known we were to sin? I think he might have died for us but over the years that pass, everyone in the churches is trying to make it worse, making it seem like he died painfully or was in agonizing pain for us.

A child looking at that would question, did we really do such a bad thing?

[Squirt]

Can we stop this discussion? Your just wasting your time on this!

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Who Created God?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQTALEIMRKY

There is your answer, watch the full video then judge.


Here is another interesting videos to kick off some knowledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX19MrhlE0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de7kisfQ1vY


If you are interested on why God exists watch All his video then decide if your an atheist. This dude is HIGHLY intelligent, he WAS an atheist. Also, he has a Jewish background. SO this dude knows what he is TALKING ABOUT unlike most of you non intelligent cows.

So because he was an atheist, had a Jewish background, and is now born again his arguments automatically become valid.... um No, venom fails. He uses rumors that have been debunked to support his speculation and the premise of most of his videos are: "Atheist are afraid to admit there is a higher power, Science is evil, Darwin is Satan's spawn and doesn't think evolution is real, Giants existed but the flood destroyed them, and the Earth is 4000 years old." He's very charismatic and intelligent but his sources aren't credible and he tends to straw man every non-Christian that argues against his views. It's a terrible way to send your point across but the less educated viewers will eat every word of it.

1]Atheist are afraid to admit there is a higher power: A generalization that he relies on time and time again to make his point. The fact that he takes the atheist that are obsessed with religion and bulks them in with the one's that just want to be left alone is enough to deem that argument incorrect due to fallacy.
2]Science is evil. To him science is Satan trying to lure Christians away from Christianity. He is constantly using mined quotes that are taken out of context to prove his over zealous point of view. Because of the way he brings his point across his seconds argument (Science is evil) is rendered wrong due to fallacy. I admit, evolution isn't what I would call very scientific because it can't be tested.
3]He uses quotes that are taken out of context to "prove" that Darwin didn't think evolution was real and he calls evolution the work of Satan (refer to science is evil).
4]Giants existed but the flood destroyed them: He uses images he found on the internet to prove this. The problem is those images were all proven to be hoaxes. Obviously those that don't do their own research will eat every word he says.
5]He can't even back this point up.

Born again Christians tend to be the most zealous. Makes it very difficult to have a discussion with them.

In the first video he primes the viewer so that they agree with him. The way he argues is so annoying, fallacies and lies. BAH.

He gives sources in the bible and out side of it. He is not against science because he uses SCIENTIFIC FACTS and uses science to back up and support the belief in god. There is more proof out there that a higher being EXISTS than anything else. But seriously i've watched all types of videos, from men trying to prove evolution, to men trying to prove the existence of a "god".

I mean You choose. Either we came from nothing and that nothing made something (Example a single cell) Or we came from a being that was ALWAYS there and could create something. Nothing CANT create something, something had to always be there to create something else. It's as simple as a sand castle at a beach. SOMEONE had to create it, it couldn't just make itself.

Also about the Giants... It's not only in the Christian bible. Check out other "holy" books as well. And about the "flood"? Once again check out other "Holy" books. Different religions contain this knowledge.

Just watch his videos and do some research on what he says. I honestly messaged him countless times on youtube. You really don't know how many times he showed me proof on what he says.

[Barotix]

He gives sources in the bible and out side of it. He is not against science because he uses SCIENTIFIC FACTS and uses science to back up and support the belief in god. There is more proof out there that a higher being EXISTS than anything else. But seriously i've watched all types of videos, from men trying to prove evolution, to men trying to prove the existence of a "god".

He has never used any real science to back up his views and if you think that his humanist vs creationist point of view is science then you're bullshitting yourself. First and foremost. The humanist point of view is a school of psychology founded by Abraham Maslow, it has nothing to do with evolution or the big bang. Second, creationism is not science. You can spin it in so many different ways but if it's religion then it's not very scientific. That's like me passing reincarnation as Science by calling it reincarnationism. Not once has he employed rational empiricism to prove his point. It's always fallacy after fallacy after fallacy. You can not prove the existence of God and trying to do so shows that you're insecure. If your faith is sound and strong that should be more than enough but no, there are countless theist out there that are constantly trying to prove their God exist. It is impossible to prove it exist and it is impossible to prove it doesn't. Remember absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but even that is not enough to prove it exist. It just postulates the possibility of it's existence. The bible is his only source. He is badly educated and at most only takes little snippets to pass his case as valid. He can't support his point of view when the only source is the bible.

I mean You choose. Either we came from nothing and that nothing made something (Example a single cell) Or we came from a being that was ALWAYS there and could create something. Nothing CANT create something, something had to always be there to create something else. It's as simple as a sand castle at a beach. SOMEONE had to create it, it couldn't just make itself.

First, The big bang was not caused by nothing. VenomFagX doesn't know this and he was hoping you didn't know this either. Second, the big bang is theoretical Science so take the math with a grain of salt. Third VenomFagX has no idea what he's talking. When I agreed he was intelligent I should of replaced intelligent with crafty. He's a snake in the grass that does nothing but lie and pull shit out of his ass and pass it as absolute truth. Now addressing the second part of the post: If someone created it then where did this someone come from? Oh wait he was always there, now speaking logically that doesn't make sense because something cannot always be there. It had to be created but by what? Now this leads to a cycle of Gods creating Gods and so and so forth. You see how I can use his own half-assed, badly made arguments against him? It didn't just make itself. He doesn't understand the mathematics behind the theory well enough to argue against it. FFS: He passes evolution as this:

"Amoeba~>Worm~>Frog~>Monkey~>Humans."
and The big Bang as this:
"There was a bang from nothing."

Also about the Giants... It's not only in the Christian bible. Check out other "holy" books as well. And about the "flood"? Once again check out other "Holy" books. Different religions contain this knowledge.

No, the giants are only in the Abrahamic religions. The flood was an isolated event that took place in what is today Iraq and can be backed by archaeological evidence. It was not the work of divine providence it was a freak event in the middle east. It was recorded by Hindi Legends, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and in the Jewish Torah. The epic of Gilgamesh out dates the Torah and is a Sumerian legend. Most of the Jewish stories are Sumerian. Judaism is the result of a culture war but that's for another thread.

Just watch his videos and do some research on what he says. I honestly messaged him countless times on youtube. You really don't know how many times he showed me proof on what he says.

I know this much: You're ignorant and bask in it. Kudos.

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He gives sources in the bible and out side of it. He is not against science because he uses SCIENTIFIC FACTS and uses science to back up and support the belief in god. There is more proof out there that a higher being EXISTS than anything else. But seriously i've watched all types of videos, from men trying to prove evolution, to men trying to prove the existence of a "god".

I mean You choose. Either we came from nothing and that nothing made something (Example a single cell) Or we came from a being that was ALWAYS there and could create something. Nothing CANT create something, something had to always be there to create something else. It's as simple as a sand castle at a beach. SOMEONE had to create it, it couldn't just make itself.

Also about the Giants... It's not only in the Christian bible. Check out other "holy" books as well. And about the "flood"? Once again check out other "Holy" books. Different religions contain this knowledge.

Just watch his videos and do some research on what he says. I honestly messaged him countless times on youtube. You really don't know how many times he showed me proof on what he says.

Fail.

[Barotix]

He gives sources in the bible and out side of it. He is not against science because he uses SCIENTIFIC FACTS and uses science to back up and support the belief in god. There is more proof out there that a higher being EXISTS than anything else. But seriously i've watched all types of videos, from men trying to prove evolution, to men trying to prove the existence of a "god".

I mean You choose. Either we came from nothing and that nothing made something (Example a single cell) Or we came from a being that was ALWAYS there and could create something. Nothing CANT create something, something had to always be there to create something else. It's as simple as a sand castle at a beach. SOMEONE had to create it, it couldn't just make itself.

Also about the Giants... It's not only in the Christian bible. Check out other "holy" books as well. And about the "flood"? Once again check out other "Holy" books. Different religions contain this knowledge.

Just watch his videos and do some research on what he says. I honestly messaged him countless times on youtube. You really don't know how many times he showed me proof on what he says.

Fail.

Read my edit.

[Reise]

He gives sources in the bible and out side of it. He is not against science because he uses SCIENTIFIC FACTS and uses science to back up and support the belief in god. There is more proof out there that a higher being EXISTS than anything else. But seriously i've watched all types of videos, from men trying to prove evolution, to men trying to prove the existence of a "god".

If you call scientific fact some kid blaring off as if the Big Bang theory was hardcore truth. If anything he is making himself look more like a moron by using it as such. Hell, even evolution has its shaky areas. Nobody has actually seen something evolve, but based on what we can see and know to be true, we figure evolution must exist.

I mean You choose. Either we came from nothing and that nothing made something (Example a single cell) Or we came from a being that was ALWAYS there and could create something. Nothing CANT create something, something had to always be there to create something else. It's as simple as a sand castle at a beach. SOMEONE had to create it, it couldn't just make itself.

Nobody knows, it's a theory. Some people would rather base ideas on things they can see and feel, and prove, rather than just assume there was a greater being responsible for everything. For all we REALLY know, we could be nothing more than a fleeting thought. It's beyond anyone's understanding.

Also about the Giants... It's not only in the Christian bible. Check out other "holy" books as well. And about the "flood"? Once again check out other "Holy" books. Different religions contain this knowledge.

These things are not only in Christianity because most ancient civilization was well aware of the large fossils and bones. That's where the myths of dragons and giants come from. The "flood" has been recently believed to have been a event that was exaggerated to fit scriptures. Mostly because researchers have found physical evidence of such a flood (even though nowhere as severe as in the story of Noah) in a lot of places around the middle east, and similar stories relating to it.

Just watch his videos and do some research on what he says. I honestly messaged him countless times on youtube. You really don't know how many times he showed me proof on what he says.

Getting hung up on theories is a bitch ain't it.

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Fail.

Read my edit.

Both sides have facts and both sides have areas were you cannot prove. I cant change your belief and you cant change mine. But the only thing that can keep me going is ghost and spirits. It might sound... retarded but just the fact that "spirits" can exists within our world, i do know that there is a higher being.

[Barotix]

Both sides have facts and both sides have areas were you cannot prove. I cant change your belief and you cant change mine. But the only thing that can keep me going is ghost and spirits. It might sound... retarded but just the fact that "spirits" can exists within our world, i do know that there is a higher being.

Both sides may have areas that cannot be proven but only one side's unproven areas can be proven to be true over time. Can you guess which side that is?

One side has objective rational empiricism that is passed as fact until a better fact comes along and replaces the previous fact. They're called theories. The other side has faith. I don't understand why Abrahamic religions are so at odds with Science. Think of Science as this: An application of the free will and free thought gifted to us by a sentient being in order to understand that being, it's origins, and our purpose. Stop trying to control everything, just let go. The sentient being doesn't even have to be a being. It can be an idea of perfection. <insert philosophy rant here><insert history lesson here><insert more agnosticism here>.

...Sight, touch, smell, taste, and hearing. Yeah no spirits as far as my senses go.