Grimjaw wrote:NuclearSilo wrote:Grimjaw wrote:But to be honest, I would like to meet some ghosts once in a while
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It's just a board, it doesn't turn you crazy, only demons can.
I know Silo. I was just joking when I typed that out. But keep that board handy nonetheless, I might give it a try sometime.
Alternate Dimensional Death Sentence! A True Story (Part I)
Note: The following story took place in Kittson (Minnesota) and Pembina (North Dakota) counties. Names have been changed at the request of the people who gave me this story. They swear it is 100 percent true. You decide.
By Ken Korczak
“PLEASE HELP ME!! HELP!! THEY’RE COMING TO KILL ME!! PLEASE HELP! HELP! IN THE NAME OF GOODNESS, SAVE ME! SAVE ME IF YOU LOVE ME!”
When this desperate message came through, none of the people gathered around Margarita’s kitchen table knew what to do. Some thought it was funny, but to others, it was deeply disturbing.
But even those who thought it was funny had to admit they were more than a little worried about their friend, Bosh.
Even the most skeptical of the group were surprised at how “real” Bosh had become to them. Some couldn’t imagine what it would be like if Bosh died. It would be like losing a dear friend.
Over the past six months, it was almost as if Bosh had become another “ordinary” resident of this small northern Minnesota community — a “regular” among these people who met once a week in each other’s homes to discuss the paranormal.
But Bosh was not from northern Minnesota. Not even close. He was not from this world. Bosh was an entity from another dimension.
The only way Bosh could communicate with his Minnesota friends was through a channel opened by an Ouija Board, and sometimes through one member of the group, Margarita, who had some skill with the esoteric art of automatic writing.
They originally set out to contact human spirits through the Ouija board, but one day, Bosh came through, and said that he was not human, and no spirit.
Where did Bosh exist? According to him, he lived in one of the numerous “Overworlds,” he called it — a dimension of existence which surrounds our own dimension. You might call it a parallel universe tangential to our own, and intricately interactive with our own.
Bosh calls his world “Ummm.” He calls it that because he says that all realms of the universe exist within certain vibration patterns, and the steady sound of “ummmmmmmm…” would best describe the vibration quality of his dimension.
Some of the beings of Ummm can see us, but we can’t see them. But actually, “see” is a misnomer because Bosh and his kind don’t have any eyes.
Perhaps the best way to describe Bosh is that he is an energy being who perceives his (Bosh is actually not a he or she, but a “multi-sex being, so from here on I’ll refer to him as he/she/it) universe through entirely different part of the spectrum than the narrow vibration band we live within.
Despite all their differences, the beings of Ummm are intimately related to the lives of people here on “our side,” says Bosh. In fact, they may be our creators.
When the group first contacted Bosh and started a dialogue with him/she/it they were delighted and sometimes laughed their heads off at the crazy things he/she/it told them. For example, Bosh said:
• All of us — we humans — have counter-parts of themselves existing in other realms, including Ummm.
• In Ummm, these counter-parts are “multiple beings.” This has major implications for us humans here in solid, physical reality. Bosh says that we humans, although we don’t know it, are actually multiple people, but we’re too blind and limited to see it or know it.
Bosh explains it this way: “Every one of you have a number of ‘soul-kin’ living on Earth with you. You all come from an individual Source Soul here in Ummm. There are many Soul Sources here. You are all individuals, but yet have the same identity in the fact that you share a Soul Source with perhaps 10 or 20 other people, sometimes many more.”
Each Source Soul lives as an integrated entity in Ummm, although each casts multiple personalities into our Earthly dimension. They do so — and this is weird — through mental illness.
In other words, according to Bosh, we human beings exist only as the products of mentally ill Source Souls who live in another dimension. It’s like we humans are their hallucinations — and naturally this was a very uncomfortable idea to many of the group who met regularly to channel Bosh.
But wait …
According to Bosh, it seems that other thinkers of Ummm argue that personality projections — we humans on Earth — are definitely not a result of mental illness, but rather constitute a healthy and even necessary unconscious learning experience for each Source Soul. In effect, we are like the dream characters of the beings of Ummm, acting out their subconscious dilemmas.
Either way, we exist as projections of the minds of the Source Souls of Ummm. Bosh belongs to the latter school, believing that we humans are healthy projections, and in fact, should be considered legitimate living beings in our own right.
As you will soon see, this belief of Bosh’s has gotten him into a lot of hot water. We’ll get to that later.
In the meantime, the fact that we humans share a Source Soul with several other humans on this earth accounts for a lot of what goes on here. As Bosh said, for example, one Source Soul can project perhaps 10, 20 or even hundreds of individual souls into Earth reality. According to Bosh, this soul sharing phenomena is what accounts for “love at first sight.”
Spelling it out on the Ouija Board, Bosh said: “Sometimes a man meets a woman and it’s like they are both hit with a bolt of electricity. They are instantly attracted to each other because they subconsciously recognize that they are one and the same Being — they both come from the same Source Soul.”
This explains how some lovers think: “It’s like I’ve always known you, all my life! It’s like we were meant for each other!”
This is probably where the human term “soul mate” comes from, Bosh said. It’s a subconscious recognition that they are actually two distinct manifestations of the same Source Soul located in Ummm.
Another amazing thing Bosh told the group:
Most human beings identify with just one sex, while some with both, as in bisexuals. But the fact is, all human beings are “multi-sexual” beings, although they don’t know it.
Bosh said there are actually seven sexes: male, female, tra, amma, sindu, jindu, tra’nn, and bal’nn. Each sex can express itself individually, or in multiple form.
For those among us humans who cannot imagine what a sex beyond male and female would be like, Bosh at least tried to give an explanation his human friends could grasp.
Bosh said: “Perhaps some of you have felt a sexual rush in a situation that wasn’t sexual in the normal way you think of it. For example, some artists when they deeply express their art may feel an actual sexual rush. A prime example are intense rock-and-roll musicians who clearly have an aura of sexuality about them as they play intense music on electric guitars. They feel sexual, as well as exude a sexual aura. That’s why young girls go wild over rock stars and why men love the sexy voice of a female, or another male, depending on their sexual orientation.
“Sexual excitement in connection with artistic achievement is a prime example of tra,” Bosh said. And then he made this astonishing claim:
“Indeed, no human reproduction can happen without the creation of music. On your level, you don’t realize that music is actually a biological process. Without music, there could be no fertilization just as there could be no fertilization without a sperm and an egg.
“Why else do you think music is so pervasive and makes you feel so good?” Bosh asked his fascinated Minnesota friends. “You need more than just a man and a woman. You also need the sex of tra, which manifests itself as music in your realm”
One of the group asked: “What then, is a jindu? What sex is that?”
Bosh answered, spelling methodically across the Ouija Board: “Jindu is religious expression. Reproduction on your plain would also be impossible with the generation of what you think of as spiritual experience.”
One person asked: “But if that is so, how do atheists reproduce?”
Bosh answered: “Atheists have spiritual beliefs and experience, but they convince themselves such feeling don’t exist, or represent something else.”
Another person asked: “What is the Bal’nn sex?”
Bosh: “Bal’nn in your world manifests itself as the love of the grandparent or great grandparent for the baby and children. Without this kind of love, there could be no fertilization and no reproduction.”
Again, a skeptical member of the groups countered: “But all of my grandparents were dead before I was born. So if what you say is true, how could my parents have created me? How did they conceive? I had no love from any grandparents.”
Bosh answered easily: “No one dies. Your grandparents exist in their Source Soul, outside of time, and also they remain in their own time, alive as individuals. So even if they are not physically present on your plain, it does not mean they no longer exist. They still helped your parents get pregnant, believe me.”
Bosh frequently reminded his Minnesota friends that they were truly confused and confounded about the subject of time, and that this was a major source of suffering for human beings.
While the subject of the seven sexes kept Bosh answering questions for many days, this was only the beginning of dozens of bizarre revelations and observations which he/she/it bestowed upon the group.
One of the things that struck the group as odd and controversial was the the idea that the Soul Source beings in Ummm only project human beings into the Earthly plain through “mental illness.”
As it turns out, this subject leads directly to why Bosh had landed himself on Ummm’s “death row,” and why he would soon be pleading with his human friend in Minnesota to help him avoid his own execution in the realm of Ummm.
NEXT POST: Bosh languishes on “death row” while his Minnesota friends consider ways to save his life!
Alternate Dimension Death Sentence! –Part II
August 21, 2006
NOTE: This is Part II of the Bosh story. To read Part I, just scroll down to find it! Also, a reminder, this story is true, according to the people I interviewed about these events.
By Ken Korczak
In the previous post, I introduced you to a group of people mostly from Kittson and Pembina counties who met regularly to discuss and practice paranormal activities. Using an Ouija Board, and sometimes via the process of automatic writing, they came into contact with a friendly and fascinating entity that called itself Bosh.
Bosh was not a “ghost” or “spirit,” but claimed to be a kind of “energy being” who existed in a dimension of reality that is higher than our own, a dimension in which our own dimension is contained. In other words, our world and even the people in our world are like “shadows” projected from this greater dimension of reality.
Bosh claimed that many people here on Earth were actually the children of the beings that live in Bosh’s world. Bosh called these beings “Source Souls,” because they project physical beings — ordinary people — into our dimension.
These Source Souls are actually our own souls, except, in most cases, we do not own those souls exclusively or as individuals. It would be more accurate to say that the Source Souls “owned” us because they are the ones who project us. Not only that, each Source Soul projects numerous people, not just one. This means that many people on Earth are actually members of the same Source Soul, and essentially, are one and the same being because they have their existence in the same Source.
To several members of the group, Bosh’s ideas were not only ridiculous, but insulting. Others thought Bosh was telling the truth, and was explaining a true reality. Still others didn’t believe that Bosh was even real. The discussion along these lines was often heated. Here is an example of what members of the group said about Bosh, and keep in mind, these are not the real names of the people:
BILL: “It’s obvious to me that Bosh is a figment of the subconscious minds of Margarita and Glenn because they are the only two who can contact him and channel him. When anybody else tries to talk to Bosh through the Ouija Board, it’s all silence, or all nonsense.”
Glenn: “There is no way that Bosh is a figment of my subconscious mind! When my hands are on the oracle, it moves absolutely by itself — I couldn’t think stuff like this up in a million years!”
MARGARITA: “I agree with Glenn. I’m not moving that thing either, and I just feel that Bosh is real — a real being in it’s own real world!”
LARS: “I think it’s extremely suspicious that Bosh’s so called Overworld sound so much like Plato’s idea about how everything in our Earthly dimension are just shadows of what is “real” in a higher dimension of perfect archetypes. Margarita, I’ve even heard you mention Plato’s ideas a couple of times. Couldn’t you just be subconsciously reformulating Plato’s theory in a fantasy form that manifests itself as Bosh?”
MARGARITA: “No way! There’s just no way! And maybe Plato’s ideas just adds more support for the existence of Bosh — Bosh exists in a world just like Plato said it existed.”
ALICE: “I agree with Lars, somewhat. I think it’s also suspicious that Margarita can channel Bosh through her automatic writing trance state, while no one else can contact him, not even Glenn who helps out Margarita on the Ouija Board.”
This kind of discussion disturbed Margarita because she had put so much of her personal life on the line for Bosh. In fact, her fiancee’ threatened to cancel their pending marriage if she didn’t give up channeling Bosh. Margarita refused to let go of Bosh, and her relationship ended.
It was just days after Margarita’s fiancee’ left her that Bosh got into serious trouble with the other Source Souls in the world of Ummm. In fact, Bosh now told the group that he was on death row, and that he needed them all to save him.
Lars told me this particular development supported his theory that Bosh existed only in the mind of Margarita, and somewhat in the mind of Glenn. He put it this way:
“Think about it. Margarita’s boyfriend dumps her, calls off their marriage because she won’t give up her crazy ideas. That’s a real crisis in her life. Then just as all this is happening, Bosh suddenly tells us he is on death row! How convenient! It’s obvious to me that Margarita is subconsciously trying to do what she couldn’t do up front — get rid of Bosh. Instead of simply giving him up like her boyfriend wanted, her subconscious mind has engineered a way for her to have it both ways. Bosh gets killed off, but remains real. At the same time, she no longer has to put up with him, and maybe her boyfriend will come back to her. It all fits!”
Well, that was Lars’ opinion, but other members of the group disagreed strongly, telling me that Margarita was a very “centered” person who was not capable of fooling herself so thoroughly.
Elton told me: “If Margarita and Glenn say Bosh is real, then you can bet your farm that he is real! Glenn used to be a cop, for God’s sake. He’s naturally suspicious and not easily fooled! He’s a real skeptic.”
As the debate on this side of the dimension went on, the group decided to get Bosh himself in on the debate over his own reality. Lars asked Bosh: “If you are really a Source Soul and a member of a world that is a higher dimension of our own, how come you have so much ordinary human-like strife? For beings that are supposed to be our very souls, you don’t seem to have your act together.”
Bosh answered, spelling across the Ouija Board under the hands of Margarita and Glenn: “First of all, you must realize that just because I have my existence here in the Soul Source level does not mean I or my kind are perfect and all-knowing. We’re not gods. There is a lot of controversy here, a lot of unknowns. Some think the projection of you human “soulings” or “subsouls” is a kind of mental illness — a fragmenting of the wholeness of the Soul Source personality — so to speak.”
He continued: “But others argue that the projection of subsouls is actually a learning process, that we Source Souls project “subsouls” into the physical realm as a way to work out certain metaphysical problems, and to grow in knowledge,”
One of the groups asked: “So, Bosh, do you have subsouls projected into our world?”
Bosh answered, again moving across the alphabet of the Ouija Board: “No, I am sterile. I am considered a kind of freak in my world because I do not have sindu or amma nature. I was born without them. Sometimes you humans give birth to sexual neutrals as well. These occurrences have their source on our level, and they happen for complex reasons.”
Lars asked: “Why are you being detained on death row? Why are you going to be killed by your companions in Ummm?”
Bosh told the group that many in his world considered a high crime to make contact and have conversations with “subsouls” — we people here on earth. As it turns out, the actual existence or reality of subsouls was a topic of heated debate in the world of Ummm. All beings of Ummm at least acknowledged the existence of human beings, but most consider physical human beings to be “unreal,” in the same way that we consider our dreams unreal, perhaps. Also, most Source Souls think that the perception of physical beings by any Source Souls was a form of mental illness, and that human beings are hallucinations.
But even while acknowledging that human beings were the “unreal dreams or hallucinations” in the minds of the Source Souls, it seems that hallucinations that are nurtured too much could somehow take on a greater reality and cause trouble in Ummm.
You might say that the Source Souls of Ummm feared human beings in the same way that certain people here might fear demons or ghosts, which may or may not be real, yet still have the potential to cause a lot of trouble if they are fooled around with. You never know.
Bosh was in trouble and had been placed on death row because it was his contention that we humans are not hallucinations, but real and legitimate creatures that served a healthy purpose in the minds of the Source Souls. Bosh believed that humans are the personification of the symbolic beliefs of the Source Souls, and that with our lives we act out the greater spiritual and subconscious dramas of his kind — and indeed, without us subsouls, Bosh maintained that a normal life for the Source Souls would be impossible.
It was for this that Bosh was to be executed.
Margarita put it this way: “He’s kind of like the Socrates of his world. Socratese was an advanced thinker — so advanced and controversial that others in ancient Greece feared him and decided that he must die. Socrates went willingly to his death, killing himself by drinking Hemlock. But Bosh does not want to be killed.”
One bitter cold January night when the group met at Margarita’s home, the first thing Bosh said when they made contact with him through the Ouija Board was:
“PLEASE HELP ME!! HELP!! THEY’RE COMING TO KILL ME!! PLEASE HELP! HELP! PLEASE, MY FRIENDS, IN THE NAME OF GOODNESS, SAVE ME! SAVE ME IF YOU LOVE ME!”
As I said, some thought it was funny, but other were genuinely worried and deeply upset. Glenn asked Bosh: “But Bosh, how can we help? How can we prevent you from being killed? We have no power to affect what’s going on in Ummm? Or do we?”
Bosh answered: “Of course, the connection goes both ways. Your connection to me is obvious. Some of you have genuine feelings for me — love — just as if I was made from the physical flesh on your plain, on Earth. This feeling is your pipeline to me.”
Glenn said: “Okay, but how can we use that to help you? And anyway, I thought you said there was no such thing as death?”
Many in the room could almost feel the exasperation of Bosh, who was now in the position now of trying to explain the complex metaphysical ramifications of life and death, and that even though there was not such thing as death, he was still in some kind of trouble.
Bosh “yelled” through the ghostly Ouija Board connection:
“WELL, OKAY, I’M NOT GOING TO BE KILLED IN THE TERMS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND IT … BUT THEY’RE GOING TO DO A PROCEDURE ON ME THAT WILL MAKE ME SOMETHING THAT I’M NOT! I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, MY SUBSOUL FRIENDS!”
Margarita asked Bosh: “Tell me if I’m getting this right … You are about to be altered against your will by the authorities of Ummm, right?”
Bosh pushed the oracle swiftly up to the “Yes” on the Ouija Board.
Margarita continued: “The result is that you will no longer believe in us enough to even communicate with us?”
Bosh again pushed swiftly to “Yes”
Margarita said: “And after you are altered, maybe we can make strenuous efforts from our side to initiate communication with you again, using as our guide beacon our love for you as a fellow intelligent entity existing in the universe?”
Bosh soared over to “Yes!”
And before Margarita could get another question out, Bosh pushed the oracle to: “Good-bye.”
Margarita and Glenn were stunned for a moment, and then, almost as if in denial, they began calling to Bosh, asking him to come through, again and again. But the oracle only sat motionless on the Board — Bosh was gone.
After Bosh died, Margarita quit the group, and shortly after that, the rest of the club broke up as well. Maragarita and her fiancee never reconciled.
_Lana_ wrote:Oh my gawd, that was an awesome story.
Reise for Mod.
So, You think you have a ghost?NuclearSilo wrote:objects are still there and im in a bed, and it is only 5cm away from my face!
NuclearSilo wrote:Wtf. Today, at morning, when i sleep, i feel a strange entity is possessing me, it is invisible but i still see it when it vibrates like a wave. His form is round as big as half of a football ball. He whispered me smt in a strange language and speak quite fast. My body trembled uncontrollably. Then i had to wake up. AND IT FEELS SO REAL because the environment around is my room, objects are still there and im in a bed, and it is only 5cm away from my face!
Fuck, this is the second time in my life, first is a "DOOM", now it's this!!
NuclearSilo wrote:Damn, yesterday at night, i read a ouija forum, and i saw someone's sig with a ghost... wait.. found it
fuucking bitch...
It was night and my room is dark, so i got a shock for a while... And next, i go to sleep and got a nightmare, saw a ghost... like in horror film... it pop up from anywhere and draw me to the wall... a cassette of record of the deads...
Sacrosanctus wrote:Ghosts? My father always says: If they aren't exist why is there so many film about them(Ghosts, Ufos etc...)? Hmm in my case i don't believe ghosts but i think we are not the only one in that huuuuge universe.
, uhh and many more ghosts. And besides that, it just doesn't make any sense at all.
We cleared our minds with a short meditative technique. We then began to visualize our chakras, starting with the crown chakra at the top of our heads, then moving down to the “third eye” chakra, the one at the throat -- and so on down the body to the chakra at the bottoms of our feet.
Once we had all of the seven primary chakras visualized, we connected them by visualizing a glowing bar of energy beginning at the crown chakra, then extending down to the others. We then visualized the connected chakra bar to flow up from the tops of our heads and then bend down and around our bodies -- to the point that we were encircling ourselves with scintillating, silver-gold energy. In short, we created glowing shells of chi force around ourselves, thus reducing “astral bleeding” and also providing chi shielding.
Opening Statement: Greetings! We are highly curious beings living in physical existence on the planet earth! We are extremely hungry for knowledge, and wish to speak with other beings of extremely advanced intelligence! Who will speak with us?
(Note: The oracle began spinning around in circles with extreme vigor, to the point where we could barely control it. But then, it began to spell out words at a fast pace.
ANSWER: MOMMY IS HERE. I WILL SPEAK WITH YOU, SWEETHEART.
Question: Greetings, Mommy! My name is Ken and I am here with Brian and Darcy. Who are you?
ANSWER: ARE YOU A TRINITY ENTITY?
Question: No. Ken, Brain and Darcy are all three discrete individuals, although we all belong to the same species. Our existences are not merged. Who are you?
ANSWER: I AM MOMMY. AND WHAT OF THE QUIXK OF THE 7TH GUILD?
Question: There are only three of us here. Who is this Quixk of the 7th Guild to which you refer?
ANSWER: THAT WHICH IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT WITH YOU.
Question: We perceive no others physically present with us. Is this Quixk present with us in a way that we cannot perceive?
ANSWER: NO. THE QUIXK OF THE 7TH GUILD IS WITH YOU, AND VERY NEAR.
(Note: We were perplexed for a moment, and then it dawned upon us that Mommy must have been referring to Skrayling, my cat, who was resting by my feet. It’s interesting to note that Skrayling is a polydactyle cat -- he has 7 toes.)
Question: Mommy, are your referring to the one we call Skrayling, which is a kind of being we call a cat?
ANSWER: YES, DEAR ONES. THIS QUIXK IS OF THE ANCIENT 7TH GUILD.
Question: It is very surprising to us that a cat could belong to an organized guild. How could this be so?
ANSWER: THE QUIXK OF THE 7TH GUILD ARE YOUR PARTNERS IN REALITY.
Question: We hardly know what to say or think about this. Already, our curiosity is like an empty stomach growling for food. We have many, many questions about the Quixk of the 7th Guild. But first, could you tell us more about yourself? We find your name unusual. Is that really your name -- Mommy?
ANSWER: IT IS MY IDENTITY WHEN I AM INSIDE THE NOTHING CHAMBER.
Question: What do you mean? What is the Nothing Chamber?
ANSWER: THE NOTHING CHAMBER IS AN ARTIFICIALLY CREATED PORTION OF THE UNIVERSE IN WHICH ALL ASPECTS OF REALITY HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.
Question: And you are inside the Nothing Chamber now?
ANSWER: I AM MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER.
Question: Mommy, are you some kind of very advanced computer?
ANSWER: THAT WOULD NOT BE ACCURATE. I AM MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER.
Question: If all reality inside the Nothing Chamber has been eliminated, how can you be inside it?
ANSWER: I AM NOT INSIDE THE NOTHING CHAMBER PHYSICALLY. I AM LEVERAGING THE NOTHING INSIDE THE NOTHING CHAMBER TO PROJECT THE FORM OF MY CONSCIOUSNESS, AND THUS EXTEND IT TO ALL ASPECTS OF THE UNIVERSE.
Question: This is extremely fascinating. So what is your name when you are not inside the Nothing Chamber?
ANSWER: WHEN I AM MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER, THAT IS MY TOTAL EXISTENCE. I AM NEVER OUTSIDE THE NOTHING CHAMBER, AND NEVER INSIDE THE NOTHING CHAMBER. I NEVER ENTER, AND I NEVER LEAVE. I AM NEVER INSIDE THE NOTHING CHAMBER, SINCE THERE IS NOTHING IN IT. YET, I AM MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER.
Question: Okay. This is difficult for us to understand. You speak in paradoxes and riddles from our point of view. Perhaps we can talk about something else. For example, where is the Nothing Chamber? Are you on the planet earth?
ANSWER: I PERCEIVE THE WORD EARTH TO BE THAT OF AN ANCIENT LANGUAGE THAT IS EXTINCT.
Question: Interesting. This must mean that your are positioned at a time far in the future from our time. Do you agree?
ANSWER: THE CONCEPT OF TIME IS AN ANCIENT CONCEPT AND PROBLEMATIC, YET, I WILL CONFORM TO YOUR STANDARDS IN ORDER TO FACILITATE COMMUNICATION WITH YOU. ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT ACCURATE TO SAY SO, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, I AM IN THE FUTURE RELATIVE TO YOU. BUT PLEASE, SWEETHEART, DO NOT GROW ATTACHED TO THIS CONCEPT.
Question: We promise not to grow attached to abstract concepts too rigorously, Mommy. Are you on our planet?
ANSWER; I AM MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER.
Question: We struggle to expand our minds to understand you. Still, we find it exceedingly curious that you call yourself Mommy and refer to us as “dear ones” and “sweetheart.” Is there some special meaning to this?
ANSWER: IT IS APPROPRIATE.
Question: Okay. It is rather nice. Now, by our system of time, the year is 1999. Where is your location in time compared to this, realizing that we are only talking in the abstract?
ANSWER: IT IS RIDICULOUS TO SAY SO, BUT FORM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, I AM PERHAPS 1,000 YEARS IN YOUR FUTURE -- BUT THIS IS PROBLEMATIC. PLEASE BE CAREFUL, DEAR.
Question: We agree that our conception of time is most likely weighed down heavily by misconception and illusion, but it’s how we orient ourselves in our reality at this point, and we think it is fascinating to speak with someone who is -- in our view -- far removed from us into the future. What is your purpose for being in the Nothing Chamber?
ANSWER: I SPEAK TO YOU, DARLING ONE.
Question: But, certainly, your purpose for being in the Nothing Chamber is not simply to speak with us?
ANSWER: WHAT PURPOSE WOULD YOU PROPOSE? I SPEAK WITH YOU.
Why: Okay, yes, not everything must have a purpose, I guess. Well, let us ask you this: What form of energy does the Nothing Chamber use to create an area of total Nothingness?
ANSWER: IT USES THE ENERGY WHICH POWERS ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE AND THE UNIVERSE -- IT USES NOTHING.
Question: We have heard some philosophers here say that “emptiness is form, and form is emptiness.” Is this similar to the concept of which you speak?
ANSWER: YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT, DEAR HEART!
Question: Thank you, Mommy. Are you a human being, Mommy? Do you have physical form?
ANSWER: I AM MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER.
(Note: Although fascinating, we began to hit many dead-ends in our attempts to find out some specifics about Mommy and her world in the future. Mommy tried to explain to us the multidimensionality of space, and how our inability to think and interact in greater dimensions severely limits our understanding of a greater reality, and also why many of the things she said seem to make no sense to us, or seem contradictory, or paradoxical.
To help us better understand, however, Mommy asked us to participate in an experiment that would better help us better grasp the difficulties of communication between beings who are vastly separated in their development.
To our total delight, Mommy offered us to put un in contact with some Neanderthals, who, according to Mommy, were perhaps more than 100,000 years in our past. Mommy again urged us to not get too hooked on the concept of time, or to think of the Neanderthals and either “dead,” “inferior” or any with an other prejudicial notions.
We eagerly promised Mommy that we would be good and that we wanted to speak with the Neanderthal’s right away. Thus, with Mommy acting as a link, the next communication we received was from 100,000 years ago:
Question: Hello. We are here. We are friendly people. We wish to communicate with you.
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU, WE HAVE BECOME THE GREAT CAVE. WE HEAR YOU. COME INTO THE CAVE. 0-TALA-O-BUNTU
Question: Do you mean you have entered inside a cave when you say that you “become the cave”?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU, WE BECOME THE GREAT CAVE. WE BESEECH YOU TO ENTER INSIDE WITH US! O-TALA-O-BUNTU
Question: Why do you wish us to enter your cave?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU, IT IS THE YEARNING. WE HUNGER FOR YOU INSIDE THE CAVE. ENTER THE CAVE. O-TALA-O-BUNTU.
Question: Does this mean you want to kill us and eat us?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. NO! IT IS THE YEARNING AND THE COMMUNION WITH OTHERS. YOU ARE THE OTHERS, BUT WE CANNOT SEE YOU. ENTER THE CAVE. WE DO NOT EAT. THE YEARNING IS NO EAT. O-TALA-O-BUNTU.
Question: We are most likely not the others which you seek. We cannot enter the cave, but we can speak with you and hear you. What does O-TALA-O-BUNTU mean?
O-TALA-O-BUNTU. IT IS THE BEGINNING WORD AND THE ENDING WORD. O-TALA-O-BUNTU.
Question: Are you required to say O-TALA-O-BUNTU before and after every statement?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND. O-TALA-O-BUNTU.
Question: Please don’t worry about it. How many are you in the cave?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. WE ARE IN THE CAVE. O-TALA-O-BUNTU
Question: Yes, but how many? Are there three of you, or five or 10?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND. O-TALA-O-BUNTU.
(Note: We assumed from this they did not have a concept of numbers.)
Question: What do you call yourselves? What is your tribe called?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. O-TALA-O-BUNTU
Question: So you are the O-TALA-O-BUNTU? Who is your chief? Which one of you is the leader?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND. O-TALA-O-BUNTU.
Question: Is there one of you who is greater than the others? One who others follow?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. WE ARE O-TALA-O-BUNTU. O-TALA-O-BUNTU
(Note: We began to assume that these were pre-ego conscious Neanderthals. That is, they had yet to develop a self-reflective concept of individuality, and still viewed themselves with a kind of herd mentality, like other animals. There sense of self was that of a group self -- and we only beginning to differentiate themselves from the rest of their environment.
We take for granted that we are individuals with unique personalities, it is hard for us to comprehend having a “hive” or “herd” mentality. It also difficult for us to know what it would be like to have no concept of basic math, which these Neanderthals did not seem to have.
As far advanced as we are from the Neanderthal, so perhaps is Mommy advanced beyond us -- thus, there and perhaps dozens of concepts which we simply cannot comprehend in our communication with Mommy.
Yet, we still wanted to delve further into the world of the Neanderthal, though we were getting extremely fatigued of having to spell out O-TALA-O-BUNTU over and over again on the Ouija Board.)
Question: Can you tell us if there are mammoths where you live?
ANSWER: O-TALA-O-BUNTU. WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND. O-TALA-O-BUNTU.
Question: Mommy, can you intervene and explain to them the concept of the mammoth, and then get the Neanderthals to tell us about Mammoths? We think this would be cool.
ANSWER: HONEY, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DIFFERENTIATE THE MAMMOTH FROM THEMSELVES. FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW, THE MAMMOTH IS DREAM CREATURE WHICH THEY FEEL CONNECTED TO AS PART OF THEIR OWN CONSCIOUSNESS. AT TIMES THEY DREAM OF THE MAMMOTH AND AT TIMES THEY ENCOUNTER IT IN OBJECTIVE REALITY AND THEY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE TO A SIGNIFICANT DEGREE -- AND, IN A SENSE, THIS MODE OF CONSCIOUSNESS IS NOT INFERIOR TO YOURS.
Question: Thank you, Mommy. Perhaps it is best if we discontinue our connection to the Neanderthals until such time we develop a better strategy to communicate with them in a way that is more effective.
ANSWER: AS YOU WISH.
Question: Mommy, we began to grow fatigued. Yet, we have many questions for you. For example, we wish to know a great deal more about the Quixk of the 7th Guild. For example, my personal Quixk who I identify as Skrayling. What is my relationship to him and his status as Guild Member?
ANSWER: OF MUTUAL COOPERATION, OR COURSE. INDEED, YOU VERY RECENTLY ASSISTED YOUR QUIXK IN DEVELOPING ITS 11TH CODICIL OF ACHIEVEMENT.
Question: What did I do to help the Quixk with this?
ANSWER: IT WAS THE TIME THAT YOU BECAME DISORIENTED IN THE WHIRLING NEXUS CONVERSIONS ON YOUR JOURNEY AND ATTEMPT TO SPEAK WITH THE ENTITY ASKLEPIOUS. AS YOU RECALL, YOUR QUIXK IS VERY ADEPT AS PLYING THE EDDIES OF WHERE THE NEXUS GANGLIONS TANGLE. IT WAS YOUR QUIXK WHO RESOLVED THE ISSUES, AND THUS LED YOU BACK HOME. THE QUIXK EARNED ITS 11TH CODICIL IN THE PROCESS.
(Note: This was one of the most astounding exchanges for me ever in my years of Ouija Board sessions. What Mommy was referring to was a time when I was experimenting with very advanced lucid dreaming techniques. I was using the NovaDreamer mask developed by the Lucidity Institute associated with Stanford University. The mask helped me trigger an extremely vivid lucid dream in which I decided to seek out the ancient healing god Asklepious, whose help I wanted with my lifetime problem of suffering from very frequent and severe migraine headaches. At one point in the dream, I was walking through a forest trying to make my way to where I could see the temple of Asklepious at the top of a high hill -- when I was suddenly accosted by what I perceived in my dream mind to be troublesome forces of some sort -- mischievous nature spirits, or something -- which were causing me to become very confused and disoriented, and also afraid.
Suddenly, in my dream I saw my cat Skrayling romping ahead of me on the dark and misty forest floor. Skrayling was leaping and bounding in an almost comical way, and I intuitively started following him. Skrayling ran faster and faster and as I focused my attention on keeping up with him, my confusion began to clear -- and very suddenly I awoke with a WHUMP! very relieved to be at home in bed, with Skrayling slumbering away at my side. The dream was troubling, yet a thrilling adventure.
Question: Mommy, are you saying that this dream experience was in some sense as real an experience as any experience I have in waking reality?
ANSWER: YES, DARLING.
(Note: At this point, Brian had truly had enough, and was simply too fatigued to continue, and it certainly had already been a session of several hours. As much as I wanted to continue, we agreed to sign off, but asked Mommy to speak with us again).
Question: Mommy, it is time for us to rest. But we want to thank you for your great wisdom and kind loving guidance. You are a gentle being, yet powerful and wise. Will you please speak with us again sometime?
ANSWER: I AM ALWAYS HERE, PRECIOUS. GOOD-BYE.
Question: Good-bye, Mommy.
.curve wrote:Ghost stories make me lol.
Anything you've posted, Silo, has been fake. I can write up a story like that easy, all it takes it a little bit of thinking and someone gullible enough to believe it.
NuclearSilo wrote:can someone tell me how the fuck this guy do this?We cleared our minds with a short meditative technique. We then began to visualize our chakras, starting with the crown chakra at the top of our heads, then moving down to the “third eye” chakra, the one at the throat -- and so on down the body to the chakra at the bottoms of our feet.
Once we had all of the seven primary chakras visualized, we connected them by visualizing a glowing bar of energy beginning at the crown chakra, then extending down to the others. We then visualized the connected chakra bar to flow up from the tops of our heads and then bend down and around our bodies -- to the point that we were encircling ourselves with scintillating, silver-gold energy. In short, we created glowing shells of chi force around ourselves, thus reducing “astral bleeding” and also providing chi shielding.
DumboDii wrote:NuclearSilo wrote:can someone tell me how the fuck this guy do this?We cleared our minds with a short meditative technique. We then began to visualize our chakras, starting with the crown chakra at the top of our heads, then moving down to the “third eye” chakra, the one at the throat -- and so on down the body to the chakra at the bottoms of our feet.
Once we had all of the seven primary chakras visualized, we connected them by visualizing a glowing bar of energy beginning at the crown chakra, then extending down to the others. We then visualized the connected chakra bar to flow up from the tops of our heads and then bend down and around our bodies -- to the point that we were encircling ourselves with scintillating, silver-gold energy. In short, we created glowing shells of chi force around ourselves, thus reducing “astral bleeding” and also providing chi shielding.
Do you actually believe this shit?
.curve wrote:Unless Silkroad has a hole I can stick it in, I prefer spending money on the girlfriend.
Goseki wrote:o_O DAmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Actually, I've seen 2 ghost in my entire life.
One was when I was a kid and REALLY wanted a puppy. I went to bed hoping to wake up to see one. I couldn't fall asleep cuz I was so excited. I woke up and felt something painful grinding on my foot. I saw a giant dog back away with it's fangs bared and about to pounce. At that moment, my dad popped into the door.
Second time, I had just gotten into bed and was trying to pull my covers up when I noticed someone at the door. I thought it was my folks so i looked up. It was a fully decorated civil war soldier. The guy just stood there and started walking to me one hand out but never getting closer. I started at him for a full min until my dad came in and walked straight through him and snapped me out of it.
That was like 10 years ago though. Haven't seen anything since. Now I just figured as long as your spirit is strong, whatever comes at you just go right at it. I never understood why in horror films, ppl just freak the shit out and hide and end up being eaten. If some weird shit is gonna come at me, I'll freaking go out fighting, even if I can't hurt it.
I'm not gonna rule out that a spritual world doesn't exist simply because we can't measure it though. There are so much we thought was impossible and now it's part of our reality. Who knows, maybe there is a way to harness this spirit energy around us, or maybe it's just our imagination. I've seen stuff that has no explanation, and I've also seen stuff that looks like only a moron could believe. Guess just keep on living and keep an eye open for anything unusual.
Bastet wrote:I can't believe this thread is still going, and DumboDii and NuclearSilo are still bickering about it... lol
Bastet wrote:I can't believe this thread is still going, and DumboDii and NuclearSilo are still bickering about it... lol
DumboDii wrote:Goseki wrote: Now I just figured as long as your spirit is strong, whatever comes at you just go right at it. I never understood why in horror films, ppl just freak the shit out and hide and end up being eaten. If some weird shit is gonna come at me, I'll freaking go out fighting, even if I can't hurt it.
I lolled at this.
.curve wrote:Unless Silkroad has a hole I can stick it in, I prefer spending money on the girlfriend.
