Military leaders...

[moloko]

Barotix, in a war you can't just do right at the beginning. And again:invading Russia is one huge (but really huge)mistake a good general (not a bright one, but a good one) will never do. Just like dom said:let them defeat themselves, they rule at that.

As PS: I just don't get why you ppl like so much dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Sure, it might be fancy or trendy to say "omg, that dude was great!" but there were ppl killed because of them. Innocent ppl mostly. And these dictators were plain stupid (for real). I totally mean it: what's so cool about them?The thing that they were feared? Then it means ...well...umm..someone has some problems...

And stop trying to learn and understand history from Wikipedia or TV. Really now...


heroo, when was the last time you checked the map of Russia? and btw...the nazi invaded Russia on 22 June 1941.

[heroo]

Barotix, in a war you can't just do right at the beginning. And again:invading Russia is one huge (but really huge)mistake a good general (not a bright one, but a good one) will never do. Just like dom said:let them defeat themselves, they rule at that.

As PS: I just don't get why you ppl like so much dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Sure, it might be fancy or trendy to say "omg, that dude was great!" but there were ppl killed because of them. Innocent ppl mostly. And these dictators were plain stupid (for real). I totally mean it: what's so cool about them?The thing that they were feared? Then it means ...well...umm..someone has some problems...

And stop trying to learn and understand history from Wikipedia or TV. Really now...

I never said i found him a great man ( as a human ) but only as a general ( military tactical ), no one that's stupid can built an empire like them.

[moloko]

Lol, he was a terrible (and by that I totally mean a terrible) military tactician.
And in case the edit to my previous post came too late: the nazi+ their Axis allies invaded Russia in June 1941.
And well...what empire?The one you build cause all the other Super Powers do nothing to stop you?I mean, come on...Hitler was great at winning as long as he didn't have to actually fight someone. Wonderful military tactician indeed.

[Shadowman20818]

Lol, he was a terrible (and by that I totally mean a terrible) military tactician.
And in case the edit to my previous post came too late: the nazi+ their Axis allies invaded Russia in June 1941.
And well...what empire?The one you build cause all the other Super Powers do nothing to stop you?I mean, come on...Hitler was great at winning as long as he didn't have to actually fight someone. Wonderful military tactician indeed.

I don't know... his short fight with the polish calvary (think horses) was won by strategy alone.

[moloko]

It doesn't seem to me that winning against an army that's far more inferior to you it's a big victory.Especially that Poland didn't get any help from its allies.And let's not forget that just 2 weeks after the Germans attacked Poland the Soviet Union attacked Poland too. So...

[Shadowman20818]

It doesn't seem to me that winning against an army that's far more inferior to you it's a big victory.Especially that Poland didn't get any help from its allies.And let's not forget that just 2 weeks after the Germans attacked Poland the Soviet Union attacked Poland too. So...

Forgot my sarcasm marks.

The invasion of poland was met with the polish calvary, a moron playing risk with real german people can win with tanks, machine guns, cars etc. against horseman with rifles. Hitler was good at propaganda and unifying germany, that's about it, and he wasn't even the best at it.

[moloko]

It doesn't seem to me that winning against an army that's far more inferior to you it's a big victory.Especially that Poland didn't get any help from its allies.And let's not forget that just 2 weeks after the Germans attacked Poland the Soviet Union attacked Poland too. So...

Forgot my sarcasm marks.

The invasion of poland was met with the polish calvary, a moron playing risk with real german people can win with tanks, machine guns, cars etc. against horseman with rifles. Hitler was good at propaganda and unifying germany, that's about it, and he wasn't even the best at it.

Amen!

[XemnasXD]

It doesn't seem to me that winning against an army that's far more inferior to you it's a big victory.Especially that Poland didn't get any help from its allies.And let's not forget that just 2 weeks after the Germans attacked Poland the Soviet Union attacked Poland too. So...

Forgot my sarcasm marks.

The invasion of poland was met with the polish calvary, a moron playing risk with real german people can win with tanks, machine guns, cars etc. against horseman with rifles. Hitler was good at propaganda and unifying germany, that's about it, and he wasn't even the best at it.

this has already been established like on the first page of this discussion. I thought we came to the conclusion that anyone who thinks Hitler or Stalin were great military leaders doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Shadowman20818]

It doesn't seem to me that winning against an army that's far more inferior to you it's a big victory.Especially that Poland didn't get any help from its allies.And let's not forget that just 2 weeks after the Germans attacked Poland the Soviet Union attacked Poland too. So...

Forgot my sarcasm marks.

The invasion of poland was met with the polish calvary, a moron playing risk with real german people can win with tanks, machine guns, cars etc. against horseman with rifles. Hitler was good at propaganda and unifying germany, that's about it, and he wasn't even the best at it.

this has already been established like on the first page of this discussion. I thought we came to the conclusion that anyone who thinks Hitler or Stalin were great military leaders doesn't know what they're talking about.

Reinforcing the point, adding some nails to that coffin.

[Barotix]

Barotix, in a war you can't just do right at the beginning. And again:invading Russia is one huge (but really huge)mistake a good general (not a bright one, but a good one) will never do. Just like dom said:let them defeat themselves, they rule at that.

As PS: I just don't get why you ppl like so much dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Sure, it might be fancy or trendy to say "omg, that dude was great!" but there were ppl killed because of them. Innocent ppl mostly. And these dictators were plain stupid (for real). I totally mean it: what's so cool about them?The thing that they were feared? Then it means ...well...umm..someone has some problems...

And stop trying to learn and understand history from Wikipedia or TV. Really now...


heroo, when was the last time you checked the map of Russia? and btw...the nazi invaded Russia on 22 June 1941.

Mao? - i dont like mao.
Stalin? - i ignore the causualties... the ends justifies the means... but in his NO

hitler? - as fudge said, when the guy spoke it was like OMFGZ knahmean??

wikipedia, and TV??

wiki tends 2 be biased
tv? is run by biased networks.

me lol you think i care about calsualties??

in every war casualties are neccasary.

people say hitler and stalin were monsters
to the russians stalin was a hero

to the chinese peasantry mao was god

as for hitler 2 a desperate germany who believed the seeds of racial curroption were planted - he was the messiah [not my opinion]

as said b4 the winners write history.
i can say without a shadow of a doubt that there is no truly accurate documentation of human history.

the only way 2 learn history, is 2 read every possible book on every event.
to take as many courses as possible.

and 2 be indifferent 2 what happened in the past.

back then things were different.
for example racism was a science [yep it was]

imo.
those countries were so used to totalitorean rule that well.

people like mao [emperor]
stalin [czar]
hitler [kaizer]

it all echos a past long gone.
it all echos a past that must be revisited.

meh.
idc.

hitler was lucky.

took austria [no war]
[oo this word seems hard -_- eastern euro country] checkoslavakia??? [oO worst spelling ever] was sacraficed by france and britain.

you want 2 blame hitler alone?? for the massacre of countless jews.
yet disregard the fact the britain and france knew what was happenning yet ignored it.

have you ever asked why they ignored it??
well 1 phrase comes 2 mind...

history.

thats all.
i will say no more.
since you all have already closed your textbooks, as well as your minds.

begone thread begone!!

[Zypher]

Yuri Orlov

[Barotix]

@ Fudge, i think you're a focking racist.

Hitler was the greatest military leader, end of story.
Great communication with the people, captivating speeches, in fact he makes bush look like complete shit in that aspect.

go watch Hitler speeches, i actually used to do that before lacrosse games sometimes, they were audio files in my iPod. So much energy, it just really got you pumped.

Pink Floyd even admired him, go watch the wall, 90% about hitlers leadership.

hmm fudge is not racist, but maybe you have racist thoughts that make you think that way

*listens to Hitler's speeches, ign Auschwitz *, sure m8, i'm the racist

holy snaps i totally forgot about his ign.

hmm should i disregard his ign
or
not
hmm

i think i will disregard his ign
until he shows that he is anti-semetic i wont comment

[[SD]Frites]

I have to say Michiel de Ruyter

i think only dutch ppl know him.

if u interested google him.

[Valkorn]

i think it is someone else then al you are posting..
I think this person pwned everyone..
I think..

It was..


ME On c&c 3, pwing everyone as nod^^

[moloko]

Barotix, in a war you can't just do right at the beginning. And again:invading Russia is one huge (but really huge)mistake a good general (not a bright one, but a good one) will never do. Just like dom said:let them defeat themselves, they rule at that.

As PS: I just don't get why you ppl like so much dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Sure, it might be fancy or trendy to say "omg, that dude was great!" but there were ppl killed because of them. Innocent ppl mostly. And these dictators were plain stupid (for real). I totally mean it: what's so cool about them?The thing that they were feared? Then it means ...well...umm..someone has some problems...

And stop trying to learn and understand history from Wikipedia or TV. Really now...


heroo, when was the last time you checked the map of Russia? and btw...the nazi invaded Russia on 22 June 1941.

Mao? - i dont like mao.
Stalin? - i ignore the causualties... the ends justifies the means... but in his NO

hitler? - as fudge said, when the guy spoke it was like OMFGZ knahmean??

wikipedia, and TV??

wiki tends 2 be biased
tv? is run by biased networks.

me lol you think i care about calsualties??

in every war casualties are neccasary.

people say hitler and stalin were monsters
to the russians stalin was a hero

to the chinese peasantry mao was god

as for hitler 2 a desperate germany who believed the seeds of racial curroption were planted - he was the messiah [not my opinion]

as said b4 the winners write history.
i can say without a shadow of a doubt that there is no truly accurate documentation of human history.

the only way 2 learn history, is 2 read every possible book on every event.
to take as many courses as possible.

and 2 be indifferent 2 what happened in the past.

back then things were different.
for example racism was a science [yep it was]

imo.
those countries were so used to totalitorean rule that well.

people like mao [emperor]
stalin [czar]
hitler [kaizer]

it all echos a past long gone.
it all echos a past that must be revisited.

meh.
idc.

hitler was lucky.

took austria [no war]
[oo this word seems hard -_- eastern euro country] checkoslavakia??? [oO worst spelling ever] was sacraficed by france and britain.

you want 2 blame hitler alone?? for the massacre of countless jews.
yet disregard the fact the britain and france knew what was happenning yet ignored it.

have you ever asked why they ignored it??
well 1 phrase comes 2 mind...

history.

thats all.
i will say no more.
since you all have already closed your textbooks, as well as your minds.

begone thread begone!!

Stalin was not a czar!!!! God damn it, that's the title of the Russian emperor, which the communists blamed for ...EVERYTHING.
The winners might re-write the history, but if you do study (not necessarily in school) it's uber easy to understand who, why and what. The only way to do that it's not to judge the past at all. And just to try understand the mentalities and the imaginary of that era. The only way.
I must contradict you: not for all Russians or Chinese their dictators were gods. If so, there wouldn't have been millions of deaths. And I know that from my own experience, coming from an ex-communist country. It's easy to say "all the ppl loved the dictator" but that was not true, otherwise the jails wouldn't have been filled with ppl that didn't support the regime, nor would have been rebells that fought against the communists (a lot of the rebells being peasants), nor would have been any need for the terror regime the communists imposed.
I know what you mean by France and UK's role and I totally agree with your point of view. And I wasn't pointing at you in my "PS", but to those that seem to worship figures from history they know very little and to those that really believe that the sources I mention are too damn good to go look for something else (laziness I guess).
The thing that I simply cannot understand is this love for these dictators, and especially coming from those who aren't even Russian, Germans, Chinese, etc., and especially very young. I simply don't think that a normal person can worship mad ppl.

[dom]

Yuri Orlov

My favorite movie.

YOU BRING ME THE GUN OF RAMBO?

[Zypher]

Yuri Orlov

My favorite movie.

YOU BRING ME THE GUN OF RAMBO?

i knew you would get it

[Barotix]

Barotix, in a war you can't just do right at the beginning. And again:invading Russia is one huge (but really huge)mistake a good general (not a bright one, but a good one) will never do. Just like dom said:let them defeat themselves, they rule at that.

As PS: I just don't get why you ppl like so much dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Sure, it might be fancy or trendy to say "omg, that dude was great!" but there were ppl killed because of them. Innocent ppl mostly. And these dictators were plain stupid (for real). I totally mean it: what's so cool about them?The thing that they were feared? Then it means ...well...umm..someone has some problems...

And stop trying to learn and understand history from Wikipedia or TV. Really now...


heroo, when was the last time you checked the map of Russia? and btw...the nazi invaded Russia on 22 June 1941.

Mao? - i dont like mao.
Stalin? - i ignore the causualties... the ends justifies the means... but in his NO

hitler? - as fudge said, when the guy spoke it was like OMFGZ knahmean??

wikipedia, and TV??

wiki tends 2 be biased
tv? is run by biased networks.

me lol you think i care about calsualties??

in every war casualties are neccasary.

people say hitler and stalin were monsters
to the russians stalin was a hero

to the chinese peasantry mao was god

as for hitler 2 a desperate germany who believed the seeds of racial curroption were planted - he was the messiah [not my opinion]

as said b4 the winners write history.
i can say without a shadow of a doubt that there is no truly accurate documentation of human history.

the only way 2 learn history, is 2 read every possible book on every event.
to take as many courses as possible.

and 2 be indifferent 2 what happened in the past.

back then things were different.
for example racism was a science [yep it was]

imo.
those countries were so used to totalitorean rule that well.

people like mao [emperor]
stalin [czar]
hitler [kaizer]

it all echos a past long gone.
it all echos a past that must be revisited.

meh.
idc.

hitler was lucky.

took austria [no war]
[oo this word seems hard -_- eastern euro country] checkoslavakia??? [oO worst spelling ever] was sacraficed by france and britain.

you want 2 blame hitler alone?? for the massacre of countless jews.
yet disregard the fact the britain and france knew what was happenning yet ignored it.

have you ever asked why they ignored it??
well 1 phrase comes 2 mind...

history.

thats all.
i will say no more.
since you all have already closed your textbooks, as well as your minds.

begone thread begone!!

Stalin was not a czar!!!! God damn it, that's the title of the Russian emperor, which the communists blamed for ...EVERYTHING.
The winners might re-write the history, but if you do study (not necessarily in school) it's uber easy to understand who, why and what. The only way to do that it's not to judge the past at all. And just to try understand the mentalities and the imaginary of that era. The only way.
I must contradict you: not for all Russians or Chinese their dictators were gods. If so, there wouldn't have been millions of deaths. And I know that from my own experience, coming from an ex-communist country. It's easy to say "all the ppl loved the dictator" but that was not true, otherwise the jails wouldn't have been filled with ppl that didn't support the regime, nor would have been rebells that fought against the communists (a lot of the rebells being peasants), nor would have been any need for the terror regime the communists imposed.
I know what you mean by France and UK's role and I totally agree with your point of view. And I wasn't pointing at you in my "PS", but to those that seem to worship figures from history they know very little and to those that really believe that the sources I mention are too damn good to go look for something else (laziness I guess).
The thing that I simply cannot understand is this love for these dictators, and especially coming from those who aren't even Russian, Germans, Chinese, etc., and especially very young. I simply don't think that a normal person can worship mad ppl.

i didnt say he was a czar.
i was comparing his regime 2 that of the czars that he "ousted"

other than that i agree with everything you wrote

[heroo]

Lol, he was a terrible (and by that I totally mean a terrible) military tactician.
And in case the edit to my previous post came too late: the nazi+ their Axis allies invaded Russia in June 1941.
And well...what empire?The one you build cause all the other Super Powers do nothing to stop you?I mean, come on...Hitler was great at winning as long as he didn't have to actually fight someone. Wonderful military tactician indeed.

eheh wat SUper Powers? People thought France was super power right ? Well.. no, Hitler pwned them

As for England they were too focking stupid do understand what hitler was doing. And when they eventually understood it, it was too late.

So Hitler is a great military tactician. As someone before said, he had rebuild what was left of Germany after WW I and he made it the strongest Super Power in Europe.

[krackhead]

no one that's stupid can built an empire like them.

Oh you'd be surprised......

[XemnasXD]

In historical events great men--so called--are but the labels that serve to give a name to an event, and like labels, they have the last possible connection with the event itself. Every action of theirs, that seems to them an act of their own free will, is in an historical sense not free at all, but in bondage to the whole course of history, and predestined from all eternity.

I think we can apply that to everyone mentioned so far....

[Reise]

In historical events great men--so called--are but the labels that serve to give a name to an event, and like labels, they have the last possible connection with the event itself. Every action of theirs, that seems to them an act of their own free will, is in an historical sense not free at all, but in bondage to the whole course of history, and predestined from all eternity.

I think we can apply that to everyone mentioned so far....

Except Captain America.

[Shadowman20818]

In historical events great men--so called--are but the labels that serve to give a name to an event, and like labels, they have the last possible connection with the event itself. Every action of theirs, that seems to them an act of their own free will, is in an historical sense not free at all, but in bondage to the whole course of history, and predestined from all eternity.

I think we can apply that to everyone mentioned so far....

That's almost as logical as calvinism.

[XemnasXD]

In historical events great men--so called--are but the labels that serve to give a name to an event, and like labels, they have the last possible connection with the event itself. Every action of theirs, that seems to them an act of their own free will, is in an historical sense not free at all, but in bondage to the whole course of history, and predestined from all eternity.

I think we can apply that to everyone mentioned so far....

That's almost as logical as calvinism.

and your reasoning is?

[XuChu]

Vlad the Ipmaler
Stalin
Genghis Khan
Mao Zedong
hitler was a wimp compared 2 stalin or vlad

Hitler was not a general. He was a leader. He didnt lead armies. Neither did Mao, neither did Stalin. Theres a difference in that.

Bush is the leader of the USA. That doesnt mean he is directing the war in Iraq. Petraeus is.

... So you think they had nothing to do with the armies back then?

YEAH. THEY DIDNT. Hitler, Stalin, Bush are the LEADERS of theyre respected nations. They gave the ORDER to invade. The ORDER to kill. Yes, all three obviously influence military decisions-tweak this here, cancel that there. But they didnt actually DO the fighting. GENERALS, like Rommel for Hitler, did the actual leading of armed forces to fight the allies.

In strategic studies there exists 4 levels of strategies

Grand Strategy
Strategy
Grand Tactic
Tactic

Grand Strategy = Mao, Stalin, Hitler
Mao was infact involved in up to Grand tactics in some degree

lol why the hell did someone mention Mao? he wasnt even a great leader-@sskicked by Chiang and kicked again by the Japanese.

funny how China is a communist country even though both the japanese and the nationalists 'kicked' mao's ass.

[Cyndaine]

Napoleon, Mao, that mongolian/chinese emperor who conquered most of asia and some of europe (i forget hsi name) and ceasar

[XuChu]

Actually, Sun Tzu was a philosopher of war. he didnt have real military experience or service.

FYI, Sun Zi is one of the most if the most influential personalities of military.
The Sun Zi Art of War is a compulsory study for Strategic Studies. The book is very deep and complex yet simple.

[Cyndaine]

Actually, Sun Tzu was a philosopher of war. he didnt have real military experience or service.

FYI, Sun Zi is one of the most if the most influential personalities of military.
The Sun Zi Art of War is a compulsory study for Strategic Studies. The book is very deep and complex yet simple.

which is why the US army usese his books

[XuChu]

Mao? - i dont like mao.
Stalin? - i ignore the causualties... the ends justifies the means... but in his NO

You sound biased to the communists, but tbh your opinion of whether you 'like' them of not without justification, is worthless..... Despite what you may think.

hitler? - as fudge said, when the guy spoke it was like OMFGZ knahmean??
wikipedia, and TV??
wiki tends 2 be biased
tv? is run by biased networks.

I really hope your not normally like this...

me lol you think i care about calsualties??
in every war casualties are neccasary.
people say hitler and stalin were monsters
to the russians stalin was a hero
to the chinese peasantry mao was god

We say, Hitler and Stalin were monsters.
The Russians also say Stalin is a monster, but because of the Russian media little of this is exposed what they exposed is that he led them in the time of the 'great patriotic war'

imo.
those countries were so used to totalitorean rule that well.

people like mao [emperor]
stalin [czar]
hitler [kaizer]

I lol'd

hitler was lucky.

took austria [no war]
[oo this word seems hard -_- eastern euro country] checkoslavakia??? [oO worst spelling ever] was sacraficed by france and britain.

you want 2 blame hitler alone?? for the massacre of countless jews.
yet disregard the fact the britain and france knew what was happenning yet ignored it.

have you ever asked why they ignored it??
well 1 phrase comes 2 mind...

history.

thats all.
i will say no more.
since you all have already closed your textbooks, as well as your minds.

begone thread begone!!

Wow you're stupid I'm not even gonna try reply to the rest of your posts

[XuChu]

which is why the armies usese his books