The North American Union (2010)

[Nuklear]

I've written so much political shit on this forum you should know how I feel anyway. If you don't, then hell I'm not gonna waste my time typing it all over again.

I do and you should know mine as well.

SS is an absolutely retarded program. It's call saving money. If people can't do that on their own then *smacks forehead*.
Uni healthcare is also retarded, but so is how we do it now. See how the tech industry does w/out govt interference, for the most part? Now just apply that system to meds, and everything else. Free market ftw.

[Barotix]

I've written so much political shit on this forum you should know how I feel anyway. If you don't, then hell I'm not gonna waste my time typing it all over again.

I do and you should know mine as well.

SS is an absolutely retarded program. It's call saving money. If people can't do that on their own then *smacks forehead*.
Uni healthcare is also retarded, but so is how we do it now. See how the tech industry does w/out govt interference, for the most part? Now just apply that system to meds, and everything else. Free market ftw.

Free-Market capitalism has always worked, why people want to stop and give all the power to the gov't i cannot begin to comprehend. Its laziness and stupidity showcased by America as always. The Federal gov't is not supposed to provide any of these things, It is not granted the right to, and never will be. To many Americans misunderstand what is required of them, their state, and their gov't.

[Nuklear]

Sounding good so far. One more thing: do you believe in the non-initiation of force?

[Barotix]

Sounding good so far. One more thing: do you believe in the non-initiation of force?

I don't know what that is, I only recently started my studies of politics. Studying the Sciences got boring. I would try to tear the phrase apart, but from my experience that doesn't work well.

[Epic.Win]

SS is an absolutely retarded program. It's call saving money. If people can't do that on their own then *smacks forehead*.

So families who barely get by on two incomes have to work until the day they die because they can't make enough? That itself is VERY wrong. It's not their fault they're poor; the govt and economy keeps them down. My great grandmother had to work until she was 87 to be able to support herself. That is pure ridiculousness. She should not have had to push herself to the breaking point her whole life just because she was born to a family who barely got by on what they had on farms.

SS = completely justified. How would you feel if your mother, father, aunt, uncle, grandmother, grandfather had to work and didnt get to experience half the things you get to by traveling to other countries, splurging on $30,000 cars.. There is a point in life when relaxation and being able to be carefree is deserved. If it comes from government money- it's okay in my book.

[Nuklear]

I don't know what that is, I only recently started my studies of politics. Studying the Sciences got boring. I would try to tear the phrase apart, but from my experience that doesn't work well.

It means that no one has the right to use force against another person unless they are defending themselves from force.

E.W: You're rightfully angry at the odds against someone, especially when they have to fight against 'the system.' But then you go on to stick up for the system, SS. If people weren't forced to pay into SS guess where that $ would be? It would be used to purchase goods or to invest. I would be left where it should be. In the people's hands who earned it.

[Barotix]

I don't know what that is, I only recently started my studies of politics. Studying the Sciences got boring. I would try to tear the phrase apart, but from my experience that doesn't work well.

It means that no one has the right to use force against another person unless they are defending themselves from force.

E.W: You're rightfully angry at the odds against someone, especially when they have to fight against 'the system.' But then you go on to stick up for the system, SS. If people weren't forced to pay into SS guess where that $ would be? It would be used to purchase goods or to invest. I would be left where it should be. In the people's hands who earned it.

I agree with initiation of force, but it is not applicable to all situations that may arise.

[XemnasXD]

I've written so much political shit on this forum you should know how I feel anyway. If you don't, then hell I'm not gonna waste my time typing it all over again.

I do and you should know mine as well.

SS is an absolutely retarded program. It's call saving money. If people can't do that on their own then *smacks forehead*.
Uni healthcare is also retarded, but so is how we do it now. See how the tech industry does w/out govt interference, for the most part? Now just apply that system to meds, and everything else. Free market ftw.

Free-Market capitalism has always worked, why people want to stop and give all the power to the gov't i cannot begin to comprehend. Its laziness and stupidity showcased by America as always. The Federal gov't is not supposed to provide any of these things, It is not granted the right to, and never will be. To many Americans misunderstand what is required of them, their state, and their gov't.

Capitalism and Democracy do not mix. You cannot have an economic system designed to suppress and oppress the population while having a Gov't that preaches freedom, equality and prosperity for all. Free-Market capitalism keeps the rich rich and the poor poor as it has always done. Is it possible to move up the ladder possibly but the sad fact is that most ppl will die in the same class they were born. 10% of the world owns 80% of the world wealth. Capitalism REQUIRES at least 10% of the population to be unemployed or under-employed so that ppl have an incentive to work and an incentive not to demand to much for work because there is a steady supply of willing and more or less capable ppl willing to take over. Personally i think a balance Gov't regulation of the expansion of industries, corporations, and employment would be a good thing. Would i trust our Gov't with that kind of power, f*ck no.

Free-Markets are getting the world by but its unstable and in constant need of adjustments to satisfy the largely unhappy population that it uses as it work force. There is a better way.

[Nuklear]

I agree with initiation of force...

Why and to what end?

Capitalism and Democracy do not mix. You cannot have an economic system designed to suppress and oppress the population while having a Gov't that preaches freedom, equality and prosperity for all. Free-Market capitalism keeps the rich rich and the poor poor as it has always done. Is it possible to move up the ladder possibly but the sad fact is that most ppl will die in the same class they were born. 10% of the world owns 80% of the world wealth. Capitalism REQUIRES at least 10% of the population to be unemployed or under-employed so that ppl have an incentive to work and an incentive not to demand to much for work because there is a steady supply of willing and more or less capable ppl willing to take over. Personally i think a balance Gov't regulation of the expansion of industries, corporations, and employment would be a good thing. Would i trust our Gov't with that kind of power, f*ck no.

Free-Markets are getting the world by but its unstable and in constant need of adjustments to satisfy the largely unhappy population that it uses as it work force. There is a better way.

Um, Xem, as long as govt has rules, restrictions, etc, in the market, it is not a free market. You have never seen a free market so I don't think your criticisms are correct. lol

[Gaigemasta]

ok having canada wouldnt be bad, but mexico......What, you want us to be a ..... 3rd world country *-_- I will shoot myself if this happens, and of Course and Canada and Mexico are happy about, shit its basically getting pled to lv 80 for in a day to them, I mean the chances of it happening is slimmer the SG penis, but yah, really, not even debate