Today is "Draw Mohammad Day" on Facebook

[asusi]

You should really try going to Israel and insulting the strict Jews there, now you will see what I am talking about. You will ofcourse have your freedom of speech there but in your graves before in your world. Let alone, the masonic culture.

For everyone that has a lot of free time posting here without pre-basic knowledge about religion, watch the series on this website, I am 100% sure you won't regret it and it will be more useful than posting here with your own beliefs. http://www.wakeupproject.com/Videos.asp The series is called "The Arrivals".

Respect.

Well said!!

[Love]

You should really try going to Israel and insulting the strict Jews there, now you will see what I am talking about. You will ofcourse have your freedom of speech there but in your graves before in your world. Let alone, the masonic culture.

For everyone that has a lot of free time posting here without pre-basic knowledge about religion, watch the series on this website, I am 100% sure you won't regret it and it will be more useful than posting here with your own beliefs. http://www.wakeupproject.com/Videos.asp The series is called "The Arrivals".

Respect.

Do you think the violence you hold in your little village has any power ? Do you realize that you are nothing ? Do you think you have enough numbers ? Do you think you have enough resources ? Do you think you have enough weapons ? Do you think you have anything close to the best of fighting men? Do you think your brutality is brute and ruthless enough ? Do you think I am impressed ?

You would think wrong, if you think I'd go as far as only typing on this keyboard on my "free time" you would not just be wrong, you would be deadly wrong.

You don't know what a free man is.

[MrTwilliger]

I'm going to have to go out on limb here and post a bit of a different view to what this thread has been discussing so far. Unlike most, I'm so self messiah. So if you wish to make a rebuttal, feel free to do so. It's quite late and upon reading what's below, I've had trouble clarifying my point. Whatever.

To make judgment on this issue I first broke it down into what I believe the issue is at it's core. Take out the parties, take out the variables and simply define what the issue being raised here is.

"Does every single person in a western society have the right to say, draw or express whatever it is they wish to express without fearing punishment"

I believe this is the essence to this argument. This isn't an argument about Muslims, Mohammad, Facebook or South Park. The crux of this issue, and the entire reason anyone who isn't trolling would be arguing it, is to pursue some sort of debate around this matter. Say may view it with slight changes to text but I believe, judging off this thread, that's what people are trying to discuss.

Whether you wish to argue that Muslim extremists took it "too far" or whether or not their ideals are too fanatical isn't really relevant to the purpose of this facebook group. The entire reason behind it is to make a counter argument to people who try to suppress freedom of speech. The fact that the Muslims extremists are the target is completely irrelevant.

Maybe it's just me but this entire argument is so.. pointless. Don't get me wrong, I like to have the right to say what I want to say and I know people like to believe in their right to express their thoughts. But honestly, freedom of speech is not as perfect as some would like to believe. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that freedom of speech, as an enforceable and administrable law, is idealistic at best. Why? Because laws don't govern the ways our minds function, they are simply an external factor that tries to manipulate the functions of our minds.

The simple essence of the situation is this. By some western countries law's, you have the right to express whatever you wish. By human nature, if you offend someone by expressing your opinions, they will get pissed off. If you call a Biker fat, chances are you will be knocked out in seconds. If you call a large bully at school ugly, chances are you will live to regret it. If you make a "joke" about a particular race, chances are someone will take offense and they will get angry. Who knows, if it's a girl and shes PMS'ing chances are she'll kick your ass too. This is life and it's being going on way before you or I were even born. It's simple enough to understand, right?

Now it brings us into the more sensitive side of the issue: the death threat. What sets my simple little examples apart from this scenario is the idea of death being involved. "Death" is such an evocative thing and it really grinds people gears to know someone will die for expressing their thoughts. But whether the threat is one of death, one of physical punishment, one of financial punishment or just a simple verbal threat of a minor instance, it's still a breach in the freedom of expression. Right?
Now if people really are arguing the basic principles of freedom of expression, why has everyone decided that 'this' is the boundary line? Because of this incident every jock and his dog has decided to "protest" by drawing a picture of the Mohammad. Why this incident? What it is about it that makes you so dam pissed off? Are you really so uptight about your freedom of speech? Or did it take a facebook fad, a popular TV show and a commonly-discriminated against religion to make you such a political activist?

If you can't see where I'm going I will sum myself up with a few simple quotes.

People who think we're selfish trolls for expressing our freedom of speech rights are just selfish trolls. I'm a bit disappointed right now.

Drawing Mohammad is an expression of protest.

The fact that there are people sending death threats about this makes me support it even more. Troll mode [on].

This is my opinion and I have expressed it. If you disagree with it, if you try to argue against it, I will pee on your car. You going to make some pretentious facebook group about that, too?

And obviously I know there are laws which monitor our freedom of speech. For example, non disclosure contracts, Treason (the Harry Nicolaides incident comes to mind) etc etc. I just thought I should ad this in there to save any confusion.

[Love]

I LOVE how you all appear to think violence is a one way street, just amusing, specially on this age.

[MrTwilliger]

Whether violence in one way or two way in irrelevant. This isn't an argument about "who can retaliate harder", once violence has been accepted as a form of retaliation it justifies the actions of those before us. See where I'm heading with this? Violence shouldn't be an acceptable measure of retaliation. But human nature in many cases will surpass our own human morality. And, as such, you better keep that pen of yours handy.

[CrimsonNuker]

@Olen
Race and religion are two different things :\

Everybody should just become a Buddhist.

@MrTwilliger
The reason why is because they're trying to enforce a rule in their religion upon people who aren't even Muslim. Even if it insults them, deal with it. Just like Christianity, Buddhism, -takes out world religions text-, Hinduism, Judaism, Sikhism, etc.
Basically, it's like "The Koran says you cannot depict the prophet Mohammad" (Somebody quote how it is written in the Koran please.); so you can't do it either.

They way I see it is:
I'm not a Muslim, that shit doesn't apply to me. I'll draw whatever the fuck I want. CAUSE IMMA FUCKING REBEL.

[Zypher]

lol.

[Love]

Whether violence in one way or two way in irrelevant. This isn't an argument about "who can retaliate harder", once violence has been accepted as a form of retaliation it justifies the actions of those before us. See where I'm heading with this? Violence shouldn't be an acceptable measure of retaliation. But human nature in many cases will surpass our own human morality. And, as such, you better keep that pen of yours handy.

I was so tempted to respond "What ?"

once violence has been accepted as a form of retaliation it justifies the actions of those before us

This is the big "What ?" Me killing you in a situation where you are actively trying to kill me and I got no way out is more than an appropriate response, more importantly it does not in any way, shape, or form, justify your trying to kill me.

In short I disagree with you and will certainly agree that violence is a very extreme/last resort measure and for many/most of our problems there are far better more viable solutions but saying that all possible problems can be solved by non-violent means is nothing short of foolishness.

[SM-Count]

lol.

Think this sums it up, locked.

I guess I should give a reason for it, and it's a very simple one that I'm sure everyone in this thread can understand if you just step back and re-read the last 2 pages:
The people still posting are no longer discussing issues but rather playing a silly game of your opinion is wrong because it does not match my opinion, therefore let me restate my opinion again and try to convince you that way.

Besides, it's no longer Draw Muhammad Day, save your zeal for another thread that's bound to pop up.