Religion

[John_Doe]

i wouldn't say it's natural, what about those ppl who come out the closet, find out how it rly is, don't like it, go back to men/women? And you can back this up with who testimony, that's not influence by religion or anti-gay regulations?

I don't really get this question if you don't like the same sex than you arn't gay if you do than you are gay, are you talking about experimentation?

[Sav]

i wouldn't say it's natural, what about those ppl who come out the closet, find out how it rly is, don't like it, go back to men/women? And you can back this up with who testimony, that's not influence by religion or anti-gay regulations?

I don't really get this question if you don't like the same sex than you arn't gay ir you do than you are gay, are you talking about experimentation?

not rly, i bet if i spent enough time on google i could find someone, and i'm sure there have been tons of ppl who went thru that

homosexuality imo is curiosity

some ppl become curious, go forth and like it and keep it

some ppl become curious, go forth, hate it, go back to what they were doing

i have a small few of homosexual friends, none of them (only them) liked other males since they were young (when they figured out birds/bees), this came after they begin experimenting

although it is possible that you can be gay from an early age (like <10, in situations i mentioned), is it biological? no, no child comes out the womb knowing what sexuality is

edited to add your edit to my edit

[XemnasXD]

I didn't answer it because it was a stupid question. Im gay. My mom and dad obviously weren't. My Grandparents obviously weren't. Their Grandparents obviously weren't etc...

then you have a stupid argument

there is no "if" in scientific research, unless you wanna call this Xemnas+____ theory then so be it

What theory. That was me answering YOUR question. You asked what if a hetero and a hetero got together how can they have a gay child. I answered by using myself as an example. Im the product of a relationship that according to you should be unable to produce a gay child. Im not stating any theory here, i don't need to. Its like asking what color grass is, all you have to do is point to it. You don't need a 4 page essay detailing the light spectrum to figure it out...

[John_Doe]

i wouldn't say it's natural, what about those ppl who come out the closet, find out how it rly is, don't like it, go back to men/women? And you can back this up with who testimony, that's not influence by religion or anti-gay regulations?

not rly, i bet if i spent enough time on google i could find someone, and i'm sure there have been tons of ppl who went thru that

homosexuality imo is curiosity

some ppl become curious, go forth and like it and keep it

some ppl become curious, go forth, hate it, go back to what they were doing

Well until you do your statement is completely redundant.

[Sav]

I didn't answer it because it was a stupid question. Im gay. My mom and dad obviously weren't. My Grandparents obviously weren't. Their Grandparents obviously weren't etc...

then you have a stupid argument

there is no "if" in scientific research, unless you wanna call this Xemnas+____ theory then so be it

What theory. That was me answering YOUR question. You asked what if a hetero and a hetero got together how can they have a gay child. I answered by using myself as an example. Im the product of a relationship that according to you should be unable to produce a gay child. Im not stating any theory here, i don't need to. Its like asking what color grass is, all you have to do is point to it. You don't need a 4 page essay detailing the light spectrum to figure it out...

i didn't say that YOU are unable to be produced, hell that's what you said, you misstepping?

i laughed at ur theory of homosexuality being biological, you mentioned that it is biological, yet you are a prime example of why that is obviously false, you became homo (just for more /rage), your parents sperm/egg didn't make you a homo

Well until you do your statement is completely redundant.

the ease of me proving that is very very high, the ease of you proving that God does not exist is very very low (when compared to the example, not in general)

but like i said, i'm not gonna add detail into this, nor do i want to look up someone's life as it progressed

[XemnasXD]

The only thing you proved is that its not hereditary...

this is what i mean. You don't know anything about genetics or biology. You're just mouthing off...

[Sav]

The only thing you proved is that its not hereditary...

this is what i mean. You don't know anything about genetics or biology. You're just mouthing off...

i just did a quick /define on both words that you used, that you brought into this discussion

biological-of parents and children; related by blood; "biological child"

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

familial (googles equivalency to the word hereditary): occurring among members of a family usually by heredity; "an inherited disease"; "familial traits"; "genetically transmitted features"

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

now, you tell me what BIOLOGICAL is, i guess i was misinformed before /define both words and still am?

[John_Doe]

the ease of me proving that is very very high, Than do it. I'd be waiting the ease of you proving that God does not exist is very very low Not really as I do not need to prove the non existence of something, that'll just be irrational. Why'd would I need to prove that the Pink Elephant or Tooth Fairy doesn't exist?(when compared to the example, not in general)

but like i said, i'm not gonna add detail into this, nor do i want to look up someone's life as it progressed Therefore your statement will continue to be redundant.

[XemnasXD]

i don't see where you're going with this at all.

1) You asked how can hetero/hetero have homo child
2) I respond by saying I am homo child of hetero/hetero

You interpret this to mean that Biology has nothing to do sexuality when the only thing proved is that sexuality is not passed from Parents to Child, it is not hereditary....

how does me telling you what biological means solve anything, especially since you have access to a dictionary...

[Sav]

the ease of me proving that is very very high, Than do it. I'd be waiting the ease of you proving that God does not exist is very very low Not really as I do not need to prove the non existence of something, that'll just be irrational. Why'd would I need to prove that the Pink Elephant or Tooth Fairy doesn't exist?(when compared to the example, not in general)

but like i said, i'm not gonna add detail into this, nor do i want to look up someone's life as it progressed Therefore your statement will continue to be redundant.

hell if you so want to know about this surely being untrue, you can look into it yourself, i on the other hand, visit this site for fun, not for work

although i can see where the corner is now, im facing at it with shadow(s)

i don't see where you're going with this at all.

1) You asked how can hetero/hetero have homo child
2) I respond by saying I am homo child of hetero/hetero

ff.s lol, how can a long ancestry or hetero's suddenly "PRODUCE" a homo child?

am i lacking hereditary info or are you? A child wont suddenly grow wings fully if his parents/ancestors nvr had wings

You interpret this to mean that Biology has nothing to do sexuality when the only thing proved is that sexuality is not passed from Parents to Child, it is not not hereditary....

if sexuality is not passed from parents, then how can it be biological/hereditary (based on both definitions being so similar)

how does me telling you what biological means solve anything, especially since you have access to a dictionary...

i'm getting the feeling i'm the one being trolled tonite, it's midnight though, don't know how long i can keep this up and yet again another topic derailed, this time, amazingly, not by me

[XemnasXD]

because biological and hereditary are not the same thing. If you knew anything about either of them you would know that. You may see them as having similar definitions but they are not interchangeable.

You don't know anything about mutation. You don't know anything about hormones. You don't know anything about brain structure. You couldn't tell me in biological terms why you're attracted to females much less why you're not attracted to males. You don't know any of this and you're wondering why you can't answer these questions for yourself...

[Pinoy_Archer]

I


bored as shit -.-

[Sav]

because biological and hereditary are not the same thing. If you knew anything about either of them you would know that. You may see them as having similar definitions but they are not interchangeable.

You don't know anything about mutation. You don't know anything about hormones. You don't know anything about brain structure. You couldn't tell me in biological terms why you're attracted to females much less why you're not attracted to males. You don't know any of this and you're wondering why you can't answer these questions for yourself...

why don't u explain Professor Xemnas, in summary form?

and i'm not a bio major nor do i care, but i'm sure your stuck and just playing with your tongue at this point, i hope you actually have some sort of rebuttal rather that murmuring the same shet over and having me reply with the same shet

good day (or nite)

quick edit: quick glance at your almighty use of biology terms

mutation-rly? somehow over the period of 1 generation your family tree became homo? i mean rly?

hormones-it's possible that a child could be born with different amounts of a hormone, and refer to next definition for further my further view on this

brain structure-rly? i thought u just said sexuality isn't passed on, i hope i don't have to read about this shet in the morning

attraction-ur right, i wouldn't know the terms (if any), i'm sure if i was grown in a society full of men, i'd either end up loving men, or hating them, there is no "i came out homo"

Sav got served

i hope this isn't a pathetic attempt by you xemnas to +1 penis size with the whopping 3 posts he has...

[Gnarly]

because biological and hereditary are not the same thing. If you knew anything about either of them you would know that. You may see them as having similar definitions but they are not interchangeable.

You don't know anything about mutation. You don't know anything about hormones. You don't know anything about brain structure. You couldn't tell me in biological terms why you're attracted to females much less why you're not attracted to males. You don't know any of this and you're wondering why you can't answer these questions for yourself...

Sav got served

[XemnasXD]

why don't u explain Professor Xemnas, in summary form?

and i'm not a bio major nor do i care, but i'm sure your stuck and just playing with your tongue at this point, i hope you actually have some sort of rebuttal rather that murmuring the same shet over and having me reply with the same shet

good day (or nite)

I don't have all the answers. I'm not going to pretend that i do. What i will do is talk about things that i know. The information is out there, go look. Make yourself less ignorant and then maybe you can put up an argument instead of hiding behind an inability to comprehend. And im not being snide with that comment im being serious....its like trying to teach calculus to someone who doesn't know how to add or subtract...

[Sav]

why don't u explain Professor Xemnas, in summary form?

and i'm not a bio major nor do i care, but i'm sure your stuck and just playing with your tongue at this point, i hope you actually have some sort of rebuttal rather that murmuring the same shet over and having me reply with the same shet

good day (or nite)

I don't have all the answers. I'm not going to pretend that i do. What i will do is talk about things that i know. The information is out there, go look. Make yourself less ignorant and then maybe you can put up an argument instead of hiding behind an inability to comprehend. And im not being snide with that comment im being serious....

i'm still here, checking last bits on reddit

you haven't once backed up your claims (aside from you being homo (which is not support) and the case about Iran, which i had no interest of even glancing at)

looks like we are both at the same point, lazy mofo's who don't wanna justify ourselves on a forum, though when in this discussion with you, i've shown far more support (based on my knowledge of bio 4-5 years old)

[Strwarrior]

why u know something is true and then reject it?

i would like to ask a question. what if i am born to a family of muslim, but i never agree, therefore i never left something i "knew" was true, would i be subject to death?

u didnt even believe at 1st.
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i think its already discussed and muslims said they are not welcome, there is no homosexuals in muslims world, if u want to be a homosexual and muslim at the same time you cant, u can only choose ONE.
i dont even understand how people be gays, thats really disgusting.

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why u know something is true and then reject it?

Again your already asking us to accept that religion is correct/truth. When it is not

when u be a muslim u will know its true.

[XemnasXD]

what facts have you displayed that show homosexuality is a choice or dependent on social climate...what biological facts did you display to prove this...

[John_Doe]

i think its already discussed and muslims said they are not welcome, there is no homosexuals in muslims world, if u want to be a homosexual and muslim at the same time you cant, u can only choose ONE.
i dont even understand how people be gays, thats really disgusting.

That's very disappointing.

why u know something is true and then reject it?

Again your already asking us to accept that religion is correct/truth. When it is not

when u be a muslim u will know its true.[/quote]
gee I wonder why this suppose truth isn't spreading and wiping Hindu and Christianity off the Planet.

[Sav]

what facts have you displayed that show homosexuality is a choice or dependent on social climate...what biological facts did you display to prove this...

let me put together a bibliography for you /sarcasm

i guess everything I've been taught is incorrect

u came in here making your claim, bringing in, with you, no widespread facts

i got trolled, fck...

[XemnasXD]

i've looked at your post. The only fact based statement you made is when you posted literal definitions and even then you were getting words mixed up...like i said i'll humor you on the topic but i've been down this road on this forum before against people who made a better argument than you...i'll post a link there and you can read all about it...you won't cause you don't care...but i'll post it so at least i have some credibility and facts behind me to shut you up....

Here was a discussion that veered into the topic of whether homosexuality was a choice or not...enjoy...

Gays and Muslims

[Strwarrior]

gee I wonder why this suppose truth isn't spreading and wiping Hindu and Christianity off the Planet.

learn to quote at least.

not all of the world joined islam and left, not all of the world know about islam.

what facts have you displayed that show homosexuality is a choice or dependent on social climate...what biological facts did you display to prove this...

u can choose not to be a gay, fact.

[John_Doe]

gee I wonder why this suppose truth isn't spreading and wiping Hindu and Christianity off the Planet.

learn to quote at least.

not all of the world joined islam and left, not all of the world know about islam. The fact that Islam is the #1 religion followed by Christianity and than Hindu I pretty sure people know about Islam.

what facts have you displayed that show homosexuality is a choice or dependent on social climate...what biological facts did you display to prove this...

u can choose not to be a gay, fact. Don't be ignorant and stupid Str, it doesn't help your case.

[Strwarrior]

gee I wonder why this suppose truth isn't spreading and wiping Hindu and Christianity off the Planet.

learn to quote at least.

not all of the world joined islam and left, not all of the world know about islam. The fact that Islam is the #1 religion followed by Christianity and than Hindu I pretty sure people know about Islam.

what facts have you displayed that show homosexuality is a choice or dependent on social climate...what biological facts did you display to prove this...

u can choose not to be a gay, fact. Don't be ignorant and stupid Str, it doesn't help your case.

they know, but not everything, u need to come to an Islamic country, see what muslims does, learn what real islam says, not what tv and internet says.



it doesnt help my case but its a fact.. isnt it?

[John_Doe]

they know, but not everything, u need to come to an Islamic country, see what muslims does, learn what real islam says, not what tv and internet says. I do not need to as many have done so already and many have mixed opinion on your suppose truth.



it doesnt help my case but its a fact.. isnt it? Actually no, it quite a stupid and ignorant statement to make.

And your holy book already preachs what I need to know in order to talk about it. Why do I need to be in Islam when the Islamic Holy book is the define word of Allah? What can I get from Islam/Christians/Hindus that cannot be gotten from the Religious texts? Surely everything you need to know is in your precious Qur'an right? Or is this suppose truth outside of it? Wouldn't that beat the purpose of having a Holy Book in the first place.

[Strwarrior]

they know, but not everything, u need to come to an Islamic country, see what muslims does, learn what real islam says, not what tv and internet says. I do not need to as many have done so already and many have mixed opinion on your suppose truth.



it doesnt help my case but its a fact.. isnt it? Actually no, it quite a stupid and ignorant statement to make.

And your holy book already preachs what I need to know in order to talk about it. Why do I need to be in Islam when the Islamic Holy book is the define word of Allah? What can I get from Islam/Christianity/Hindu that cannot be gotten from the Religious texts?

what are u trying to say?
Allah=God, the only god, u have nothing to do with "Allah" name.

Actually no, it quite a stupid and ignorant statement to make.

i dont really have to reply to this, u are human and u have a freewill

[John_Doe]

what are u trying to say?
Allah=God, the only god, u have nothing to do with "Allah" name.

Surely everything you need to know is in your precious Qur'an right? Or is this suppose truth outside of it? Wouldn't that beat the purpose of having a Holy Book in the first place.

Actually no, it quite a stupid and ignorant statement to make.

i dont really have to reply to this, u are human and u have a freewill Than I will say as I did to Sav your point is than completely redundant.

u are human and u have a freewill

There is some hypocrisy in this, if this were true than why not let childern grow until they are able to understand and comprehand religion and therefore letting them choose? Before labeling them as a Islamic/christian/hindu childern?

[Strwarrior]

what are u trying to say?
Allah=God, the only god, u have nothing to do with "Allah" name.

Surely everything you need to know is in your precious Qur'an right? Or is this suppose truth outside of it? Wouldn't that beat the purpose of having a Holy Book in the first place.

Actually no, it quite a stupid and ignorant statement to make.

i dont really have to reply to this, u are human and u have a freewill Than I will say as I did to Sav your point is than completely redundant.

u are human and u have a freewill

There is some hypocrisy in this, if this were true than why not let childern grow until they are able to understand and comprehand religion and therefore letting them choose? Before labeling them as a Islamic/christian/hindu childern?

in islam, when some1 is born he is normal, like anyone, its what the father and mother learn him, islam, christian, hindu, or w/e.
its up to him to choose, but there is only 1 real answer, islam.
i wont go pray to a stone.
or go and follow a book which some1 can edit and put new things in it.

[ilililil]

I found proof that Homosexuality was okayed by God!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OHGVRp7WQY&feature=player_embedded

[John_Doe]

in islam, when some1 is born he is normal, like anyone, its what the father and mother teach? him, islam, christian, hindu, or w/e. Are you really suggesting that Islamic people in Islam teach thier childern about all other religions besides Islam?
its up to him to choose, but there is only 1 real answer, islam. That's not really a choose if thier's just one anwser is it, so just goes to show how much your freewill point was redundant.
i wont go pray to a stone.
or go and follow a book which some1 can edit and put new things in it. Why do you need to pray to something or follow something in the first place? Its so irrational, why can't your convictions/moralities/judgements come from you and you alone?

I won't go further in a debate with you cause it looks like your really dead set with your views. But do stop spewing ignorant and stupid BS. Your already dead lock on the view that your religion is correct,so theres no further reason to debate someone's whos gonna be ignorant of every point I present.