Ramadan

[Strwarrior]

@john, damn ur answers i cant even read them... stop replying in the quotes....

How can someone who can read and understand it not be able to translate it doesn't make sense. Please I really want you to prove me wrong, to leave me speechless, I want you to present me with undoubtable evidence.

Actually that is evidences that there is no doubt in it, but as i said, translate wasnt good enough to make people understand..

True there are more then one version of the bible, just as there are more then one version of your book

dont say something u dont know, we only have 1 book, thats all, if u see another "versions" , thats just another font, thats all. but its same words as any another Quran.

Now don't go assuming I'm christian. I only use the Bible as an example cause it's the staple religion in the

it doesnt matter for me, u have more than one book, and its not a game, and god is not playing, holy books are only 3, and 2 were edited, or actually edited somethings in it. our is not, why? a very simple reason.. we dont have "versions", its only1, god sent 3, one was for us, we didnt do any "versions" and u did, that means its edited.. any person have a small brain would understand that.

I hate to dig up history but if needed I can show you.

so u are saying we were killing any1 not in our religion? thats all fakes, if u are gonna say "when u entered (place) u killed people" , those people were fighting us, thats all im gonna say..
when we entered Jerusalem, we didnt kill any old man, or woman, or a child.
when u entered it, u killed every body, even people in mosques, they didnt even have a weapon to fight against u, and i dont know real numbers, but im sure it was more than 70000 person.. prove me im wrong now, i dont say any thing from fakes.. this is history u cant deny it.

[cezzy]

To All people that don't believe to God (or Allah or whatever you call it) "how do you think the universe,living beings created? by luck?( calculated %1x10^-10 probabilty or sth. that low).

[Krevidy]

To All people that don't believe to God (or Allah or whatever you call it) "how do you think the universe,living beings created? by luck?( calculated %1x10^-10 probabilty or sth. that low).

Insert the billiongazillion starsystems in your formula, and you got tons of planets whom are suitable for life. We're just cut off from them.

[cezzy]

To All people that don't believe to God (or Allah or whatever you call it) "how do you think the universe,living beings created? by luck?( calculated %1x10^-10 probabilty or sth. that low).

Insert the billiongazillion starsystems in your formula, and you got tons of planets whom are suitable for life. We're just cut off from them.

nah i mean how do living beings (in all planets etc.) created, i mean the first one or universe when it started and how does planets created etc. etc.

[Questmaster]

Ramadan Mubarak.

[Barotix]

To All people that don't believe to God (or Allah or whatever you call it) "how do you think the universe,living beings created? by luck?( calculated %1x10^-10 probabilty or sth. that low).

Insert the billiongazillion starsystems in your formula, and you got tons of planets whom are suitable for life. We're just cut off from them.

nah i mean how do living beings (in all planets etc.) created, i mean the first one or universe when it started and how does planets created etc. etc.

You are asking three questions: how are living beings formed, how was the Universe formed, and how are planets formed. Commonly accepted answers are, natural selection, big bang, supernova debris & big bang debris.

[Mindy]

So no-one in here believes in evolution?

that thing proofs are very very very unbelieveable, i would believe that a god created us.. why i wont believe in evolution? because in our "holy book" (as most of u call it) there are somethings that science didnt discover it till now.. and its in that book from 1400 years.. i wont really believe in that "evolution"

thats offT , but i had to reply

And why was that? Becouse for example the catholic church didnt allow people to come with theories that contradicted with their beliefs.
Such as Galileo Galiley who came up with that we are in a course around the sun and not the other way around. He got housarrest for the rest of his life. And that was a mild punishment. And he is not the only one who got punished for something like this.

[Strwarrior]

So no-one in here believes in evolution?

that thing proofs are very very very unbelieveable, i would believe that a god created us.. why i wont believe in evolution? because in our "holy book" (as most of u call it) there are somethings that science didnt discover it till now.. and its in that book from 1400 years.. i wont really believe in that "evolution"

thats offT , but i had to reply

And why was that? Becouse for example the catholic church didnt allow people to come with theories that contradicted with their beliefs.
Such as Galileo Galiley who came up with that we are in a course around the sun and not the other way around. He got housarrest for the rest of his life. And that was a mild punishment. And he is not the only one who got punished for something like this.

That is in Europe, it has nothing to do with islam, there was people that they dont believe in what muslims believe, and they were living between muslims and in their lands.. no1 made bad thing for them, they were living normal..

[John_Doe]

Actually that is evidences that there is no doubt in it, but as i said, translate wasnt good enough to make people understand..

How is it evidence if no one can understand it, You keep forgetting to address my point, as to how can you read and comprehend the text yet is unable to translate it for us.

dont say something u dont know, we only have 1 book, thats all, if u see another "versions" , thats just another font, thats all. but its same words as any another Quran.

Again you should had read my recent posts before saying that shall I show you too it seemed to had shut up ofy1993 for a while now.

http://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

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http://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

So don't take me for someone who says random crap.

it doesnt matter for me, u have more than one book, and its not a game, and god is not playing, holy books are only 3, and 2 were edited, or actually edited somethings in it. our is not, why? a very simple reason.. we dont have "versions", its only1, god sent 3, one was for us, we didnt do any "versions" and u did, that means its edited.. any person have a small brain would understand that.

Again plz read my posts/above before replying with nonsense. I hate repeating myself.

so u are saying we were killing any1 not in our religion? Yes I'm pretty sure I said Truth be told back then if you didn't believe in one of the major religions you woulda been killed/ branded a hersey/ excommunicated or lose your political/economical/social status, You weren't assuming I was acusing you or your people of that right now right? thats all fakes, if u are gonna say "when u entered (place) u killed people" , those people were fighting us, thats all im gonna say..
when we entered Jerusalem, we didnt kill any old man, or woman, or a child.
when u entered it, u killed every body, even people in mosques, they didnt even have a weapon to fight against u, and i dont know real numbers, but im sure it was more than 70000 person.. prove me im wrong now, i dont say any thing from fakes.. this is history u cant deny it.

I'm not denying the Crusades didn't exist no not at all, actually they just goes to show that the entity that is religion is rediculous. But don't go bluntly saying Islam hasn't had it's share of Jihads, should I point out the fall of Constantinople?

[Strwarrior]

Okay, point it out.. and i will tell u the story from the beginning, actually they started it, and i can prove it very easy, trust me dont try to make any of our wars something like its our fault.. read the story from the beginning, its not const story.. much things before it.

Yes I'm pretty sure I said Truth be told back then if you didn't believe in one of the major religions you woulda been killed/ branded a hersey/ excommunicated or lose your political/economical/social status,

thats not in islam.. lol, muslim= believe it all.. if u believe something and leave something.. thats not even islam.


And about that site.. its blocked here, u know why? because its fake.
there are 1 Quran, if any1 ever "made" another1, its fake one.

[John_Doe]

Okay, point it out.. and i will tell u the story from the beginning, actually they started it, lol imma get a history lesson from someone who I don't even think has a any knowledge in European History nor even Middle Eastern and i can prove it very easy, trust me dont try to make any of our wars something like its our fault.. I'm not trying actually just proving my point that people were redicule because they didn't stick with the main belief. read the story from the beginning, its not const story.. much things before it.

Yes I'm pretty sure I said Truth be told back then if you didn't believe in one of the major religions you woulda been killed/ branded a hersey/ excommunicated or lose your political/economical/social status,

thats not in islam.. lol, muslim= believe it all.. if u believe something and leave something.. thats not even islam. That's a big thing to do taking such a vouch for Islam even though you weren't there when it begun nor will you be there when it ends. But thats the internet ppl will and can do what they want.


And about that site.. its blocked here, u know why? because its fake. And where exaclty is here? If your refusing to read that site just say it, everyone else here can read it. I wouldn't be the bit surprise if your country If my assumptions are correct block sites like these sites that have articles and research that might go agaisnt their beliefs.
there are 1 Quran, if any1 ever "made" another1, its fake one.

This is sad your really gonna just ignore the edvience I presented and keep shoving god knows what down my throat? nvm:edit I assuming it is wasted effort.

[Mindy]

That is in Europe, it has nothing to do with islam, there was people that they dont believe in what muslims believe, and they were living between muslims and in their lands.. no1 made bad thing for them, they were living normal..

I didnt say that. I said why stuff like that was discovered and acknowledged so late.

[Strwarrior]

Ok then, i wanna say 1 more thing..

Can u tell how was Europe before muslims enter it?
See the changes, Europeans Got Amazing things from muslims, they didnt know anything, before muslims enter it.
That was something they should thank god for it.

Btw, i didnt even bother reading ur post, again if u wanna say something, dont reply in my quote.

*Had to read it >.<*

ok after reading, about the site.. i can make my own site, and make a new religion, and make a new holy book, with proofs, and say about all of the other religions that its all fakes and say shit about it.. its just some keys in keyboard, which any1 can easily press it.

AGAIN.. GET A REAL SOURCE.

[John_Doe]

Ok then, i wanna say 1 more thing..

Can u tell how was Europe before muslims enter it?
See the changes, Europeans Got Amazing things from muslims, they didnt know anything, before muslims enter it. The only thing I can honestly recall and thank the Muslin for are crescents as the Crusades kinda took that from one of the battles during the fall of Constantinople. I'm just being mean here but by now I don't really care, again I hate it wen you go off stating such rediculous claims such as that without any evidence.
That was something they should thank god for it.

Btw, i didnt even bother reading ur post, again if u wanna say something, dont reply in my quote.

*Had to read it >.<*

ok after reading, about the site.. i can make my own site, and make a new religion, and make a new holy book, with proofs, and say about all of the other religions that its all fakes and say shit about it.. its just some keys in keyboard, which any1 can easily press it. That has got to be the lamest excuse ever. Go ahead I'd love to see that, but of crouse this is just again one of your blunt statements. We all know you won't and can't do such a thing.

AGAIN.. GET A REAL SOURCE.

If your just gonna make excuse after excuse to cover your stupidity and ignorance, then I could care less my points have already been proven your just being ignorant now.

[Barotix]

Yo. Interaction between Muslims & Europeans during the crusades spawned the European Renaissance, during the dark ages the Muslims acquired & built on the scientific accomplishments of the Greeks. They, the Muslims, preserved & spread what would be lost to Europe at the onset of the dark ages. jus sayin, knahymin?

[John_Doe]

Yo. Interaction between Muslims & Europeans during the crusades spawned the European Renaissance, during the dark ages the Muslims acquired & built on the scientific accomplishments of the Greeks. They, the Muslims, preserved & spread what would be lost to Europe at the onset of the dark ages. jus sayin, knahymin?

nvm: edit I've had my say I'll let someone take over.

[Barotix]

Yo. Interaction between Muslims & Europeans during the crusades spawned the European Renaissance, during the dark ages the Muslims acquired & built on the scientific accomplishments of the Greeks. They, the Muslims, preserved & spread what would be lost to Europe at the onset of the dark ages. jus sayin, knahymin?

I know it was they who give the Jews and Moors a place to stay when they were driven outta Europe during the Reconquista.

Word, you're just checking if the real Muslims know it. lol.

[Strwarrior]

@ John, i and i and i and i ii i i , thats all ur opinion, that i dont care about it. why u didnt go and get a real source now? that source fail.. right?
And about saying im ignorant, lol, thats history books, some people from Europe said that things, and admit that muslims was a big part of the Renaissance of europe, there is somethings in history, and u cant deny it.
And about the site, i wont waste my time. its just something stupid some people do, and u fall for it.

/Last Post about this..

Back on topic: Ramadan Kareem for every muslim in this world .

[XemnasXD]

Yo. Interaction between Muslims & Europeans during the crusades spawned the European Renaissance, during the dark ages the Muslims acquired & built on the scientific accomplishments of the Greeks. They, the Muslims, preserved & spread what would be lost to Europe at the onset of the dark ages. jus sayin, knahymin?

Actually its the other way around. Greeks acquired and built on the scientific accomplishments of the Muslims. Greek kings rarely sent their sons to Greek schools to be educated if they wanted the best education. They sent them to middle eastern kingdoms.

[Barotix]

Yo. Interaction between Muslims & Europeans during the crusades spawned the European Renaissance, during the dark ages the Muslims acquired & built on the scientific accomplishments of the Greeks. They, the Muslims, preserved & spread what would be lost to Europe at the onset of the dark ages. jus sayin, knahymin?

Actually its the other way around. Greeks acquired and built on the scientific accomplishments of the Muslims. Greek kings rarely sent their sons to Greek schools to be educated if they wanted the best education. They sent them to middle eastern kingdoms.

Talking rise of Islam, ~700 A.D. and beyond.

[XemnasXD]

either way it was muslim ideas to begin with, muslims who advanced it, muslims who preserved it, and muslims who spread it...the greeks were at best very good students...

[Barotix]

either way it was muslim ideas to begin with, muslims who advanced it, muslims who preserved it, and muslims who spread it...the greeks were at best very good students...

Oi, but Muslims weren't around. Persians, Sumerians, & Babylonians did the hard work of discovery: Greeks improved on it, Europeans lost it, and Muslims preserved then improved it some more. Are we just clumping the whole history of the Middle East under Islam? Eh, we're on the same page I'm just bored getting all my stuff reinstalled/downloaded.

[XemnasXD]

either way it was muslim ideas to begin with, muslims who advanced it, muslims who preserved it, and muslims who spread it...the greeks were at best very good students...

Oi, but Muslims weren't around. Persians, Sumerians, & Babylonians did the hard work of discovery: Greeks improved on it, Europeans lost it, and Muslims preserved then improved it some more. Are we just clumping the whole history of the Middle East under Islam? Eh, we're on the same page I'm just bored getting all my stuff reinstalled/downloaded.

yes. not something i normally do but muslims is shorter than persians etc or middle easterns which is kinda vague...you're right though...

[The Mobius]

Anyway, so back OT:

Ramadan Kareem! I'm not looking forward to biking around campus this semester while fasting

[.Banshee]

I'm agnostic. I just fast just to fast. I have been fasting since I was 13. BTW @ first page of thread: What is wrong with you guys? If some one believes in his religion, then let him believe. Then you go around and call other people intolerant.