Whats your take on evolution/creation (read my rules 1st)

[nicko9000]

Exactly, so who waste your life preaching and doing whatever you guys do when you will be forgiven anyway.

[Rainigul]

and if humans evolve, why aren't there any species now that are in between humans and monkeys???if us say we evolve there should be at least one or more species that is in between...

It isnt exactly clear what you mean in between in this context. The biggest evolutionary advantage that humans evolve is intelligence. So in that sense I could argue that there is proof <.<.

If you mean by physical features, then evolution driving forces may not favour their existence, much like why other species become extinct. Humans evolved over a long time period. Climate changes, food resource, migration, predators, survival behaviour, so many factors that could drive natural selection. One genetic mistake could favour survival of that gene lineage (for eg see sickle cell vs malaria).

Besides, the image of a typical modern human is a simulacra. Theres so much cosmesis that our views are distorted to start with :Syl ranting on a tangent:

Our physical measurements can be compared to fossils of early humans, which exist. You could track the evolution of upright walking (or backpain, if you are pessimistic <.<). Why they didnt survive to this day and age is still a guess. What did we evolve that they didnt? Maybe one day we could find the answer.

Doesn't anybody know what evolution is?
It's not like modern humans sprang from homo erectus. homo erectus grraaaddduuuuaallllyyy evolved, so that the whole species became an entirely new species.
That's why there are none of these modern ape men, because they evolved into something else.

By the way, there are KIND of like modern apemen. Because spidermonkeys or whatever are like the closest living relatives to humans, and gorillas are actually like much farther apart. Hence, the gorillas and spidermonkeys had a common relative, some turned into gorillas, some turned into spidermonkeys, and then some others turned into humans.

[John_Doe]

Imma evolve into a winged gorgon/dragon hybrid soon.

[Draquish]

You just totally had a crack at religious peeps.

lol.

where do i sign up for matrinism?

can i be the phone box

You don't, our whole existence is...well...nonexistent.

So, start studying your binary.

[Sylhana]

Doesn't anybody know what evolution is?
It's not like modern humans sprang from homo erectus. homo erectus grraaaddduuuuaallllyyy evolved, so that the whole species became an entirely new species.
That's why there are none of these modern ape men, because they evolved into something else.

What separates a species is a feature unique to that group that gives it an evolutionary advantage for continued survival and propagation. We cannot say for certain why certain features were more favourable, or what the conditions were to selectively favour the modern human, and kill off its ancestoral species.

Species dont just instantly change, and they dont necessarily do it in a group. I've already posted some of the mechanics proposed to drive evolution. If you can appreciate the complex interplay of this process, you'll understand the simplicity and elegance of its execution.

[Rainigul]

Doesn't anybody know what evolution is?
It's not like modern humans sprang from homo erectus. homo erectus grraaaddduuuuaallllyyy evolved, so that the whole species became an entirely new species.
That's why there are none of these modern ape men, because they evolved into something else.

What separates a species is a feature unique to that group that gives it an evolutionary advantage for continued survival and propagation. We cannot say for certain why certain features were more favourable, or what the conditions were to selectively favour the modern human, and kill off its ancestoral species.

Species dont just instantly change, and they dont necessarily do it in a group. I've already posted some of the mechanics proposed to drive evolution. If you can appreciate the complex interplay of this process, you'll understand the simplicity and elegance of its execution.

The way it happens is:
Born with mutation
Mutation helps survive
Mutant dude breeds alot.
Offspring have mutation.
Eventually the whole clan thing has the mutation.

And that happens ALOOOTTTTTTTT and then you have a new species.

[Sylhana]

Doesn't anybody know what evolution is?
It's not like modern humans sprang from homo erectus. homo erectus grraaaddduuuuaallllyyy evolved, so that the whole species became an entirely new species.
That's why there are none of these modern ape men, because they evolved into something else.

What separates a species is a feature unique to that group that gives it an evolutionary advantage for continued survival and propagation. We cannot say for certain why certain features were more favourable, or what the conditions were to selectively favour the modern human, and kill off its ancestoral species.

Species dont just instantly change, and they dont necessarily do it in a group. I've already posted some of the mechanics proposed to drive evolution. If you can appreciate the complex interplay of this process, you'll understand the simplicity and elegance of its execution.

The way it happens is:
Born with mutation
Mutation helps survive
Mutant dude breeds alot.
Offspring have mutation.
Eventually the whole clan thing has the mutation.

And that happens ALOOOTTTTTTTT and then you have a new species.

Sigh. I like my teenage mutant ninja turtles version of mutagen better

You're thinking on the right track, but random genetic mutations are not the only way that species evolve.

[dom]

I've trained my dog to be a ninja. He sneaks, then pounces like a cat.

[XemnasXD]

I've trained my dog to be a ninja. He sneaks, then pounces like a cat.

it sounds like you trained your dog to be a cat...

[redneck]

I've trained my dog to be a ninja. He sneaks, then pounces like a cat.

it sounds like you trained your dog to be a cat...

My mom trained my dog to use the litter box....

[crazyskwrls]

I've trained my dog to be a ninja. He sneaks, then pounces like a cat.

it sounds like you trained your dog to be a cat...

My mom trained my dog to use the litter box....

i didnt feel like reading that much but how did it ever get to this point? from god to ninja dogs...
god=ninja dog?
god=dog?
god=NINJA!,
ninja=mostly asian people,
mostly asian people=god,
i am god, even though i dont belive there is a god

[XemnasXD]

I've trained my dog to be a ninja. He sneaks, then pounces like a cat.

it sounds like you trained your dog to be a cat...

My mom trained my dog to use the litter box....

i didnt feel like reading that much but how did it ever get to this point? from god to ninja dogs...
god=ninja dog?
god=dog?
god=NINJA!,
ninja=mostly asian people,
mostly asian people=god,
i am god, even though i dont belive there is a god

when doms fed up with a topic he post random sh*t. This time it was interesting random sh*t...THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT NINJA DOG CATS

[Sylhana]

Ninja cats > Ninja dogs

[XemnasXD]

Ninja cats > Ninja dogs

*nods*

this must be said for this statement is so true...

[alienjep]

I don't know where to begin with that statement. I guess the best place is from the beginning

1.Firstly there are lots of manuscripts still in their original text from thousands of years ago.
2. The Bible did not survive thousands of year over the course of time it was edited, chapters were removed and added, and some chapters were completely revised. The Bible 2000 doesn't equal the Bible today.
3. The first Bible was not the KJV the first bible was written by the Israelites (not the jews) long before jesus came along. The entire New Testament is a revision, an add on, an expansion pack that nobody liked except for die-hard crazy ppl.
4. If you think the King James Version was the original Bible you need to go to sunday school more often. Because English is one of the most flawed languages in the world and because the of British arrogance the KJV has lost ALOT in translation and is probably the most incomplete bible today.

by ur statement it seems that ur the one who should go to church every sunday.

i know what u mean, but u misunderstood me. like i said before the Bible is not a book until 1611. it survive that long because of copying, it was copied by christians for it to be preserve, and those 1500+(these are not in english, it is either in hebrew or greek) copies that i mentioned is the copies that are gathered by the translators. and when they compared the 1500+ copies, they only found 1% of error(mainly wrong spellings & missing punctuation marks). that means that the christians who copied the letters and manuscripts are guided by God. cause if God didn't guide them there could be thousands of errors among those 1500+ copies. and out of these 1500+ copies came only one Bible, the original KJV(not the NKJV).

and about those revised editions, they only start to appear around the 1900's(checks if the date is right). and they are based on to manuscripts that were found by two people, in the library in the vatican. one of those two are found in the trash can of the library, and the other one is found in an old shelf. these were found around 4AD. and when they compared the two manuscripts they found hundreds of errors among the two manuscripts. but they decided to create a new version of the Bible based on those two. and there are more than 100 version of Bibles now, those are based in these two manuscript.

one more thing, the New Testament is not a revision or an expansion pack, it is the continuation of the Old Testament.

so think about it, would u believe a Bible that is based on two manuscripts that has alot of differences, or a Bible that is based on 1500+ copies of manuscripts and letters and has only 1% of error.

[TOloseGT]

by ur logic, u'd have to believe ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts as well.

the bible's a story book, a very good story book, but a work of fiction.

in 2000 yrs, ppl are gonna put all harry potter books together and form a new bible. they're gonna believe in witches and wizards and magic.

[alienjep]

by ur logic, u'd have to believe ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts as well.

the bible's a story book, a very good story book, but a work of fiction.

in 2000 yrs, ppl are gonna put all harry potter books together and form a new bible. they're gonna believe in witches and wizards and magic.

u have proof that it is fiction???
and i don't read ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts.
i may not have a scientific proof that it is really true, but i have faith in it.

[XemnasXD]

I don't know where to begin with that statement. I guess the best place is from the beginning

1.Firstly there are lots of manuscripts still in their original text from thousands of years ago.
2. The Bible did not survive thousands of year over the course of time it was edited, chapters were removed and added, and some chapters were completely revised. The Bible 2000 doesn't equal the Bible today.
3. The first Bible was not the KJV the first bible was written by the Israelites (not the jews) long before jesus came along. The entire New Testament is a revision, an add on, an expansion pack that nobody liked except for die-hard crazy ppl.
4. If you think the King James Version was the original Bible you need to go to sunday school more often. Because English is one of the most flawed languages in the world and because the of British arrogance the KJV has lost ALOT in translation and is probably the most incomplete bible today.

by ur statement it seems that ur the one who should go to church every sunday.

i know what u mean, but u misunderstood me. like i said before the Bible is not a book until 1611. it survive that long because of copying, it was copied by christians for it to be preserve, and those 1500+(these are not in english, it is either in hebrew or greek) copies that i mentioned is the copies that are gathered by the translators. and when they compared the 1500+ copies, they only found 1% of error(mainly wrong spellings & missing punctuation marks). that means that the christians who copied the letters and manuscripts are guided by God. cause if God didn't guide them there could be thousands of errors among those 1500+ copies. and out of these 1500+ copies came only one Bible, the original KJV(not the NKJV).

and about those revised editions, they only start to appear around the 1900's(checks if the date is right). and they are based on to manuscripts that were found by two people, in the library in the vatican. one of those two are found in the trash can of the library, and the other one is found in an old shelf. these were found around 4AD. and when they compared the two manuscripts they found hundreds of errors among the two manuscripts. but they decided to create a new version of the Bible based on those two. and there are more than 100 version of Bibles now, those are based in these two manuscript.

one more thing, the New Testament is not a revision or an expansion pack, it is the continuation of the Old Testament.

so think about it, would u believe a Bible that is based on two manuscripts that has alot of differences, or a Bible that is based on 1500+ copies of manuscripts and letters and has only 1% of error.

You really don't know how wrong you are. The Original Bible, the old testament was gathered as a single volume thousands of years ago. The Jews used WAY before King James came along. So no the bible was around for quite awhile before the KJV came out. Also the bible had undergone multiple translation from its original text to hebrew to latin etc. So no the bibles chance of error is probably more in the 70-80% because if you ask any religious Scholar. Not your jesus freak sunday school teacher but someone who has actually studied the current bible and the history of the bible they will tell you that it is not the same book as it was thousands of years ago. I want you to show me this source that says their is only a 1% chance of error cause its a load of BS.

Current bibles the at least the KJV are like i said probably the worst bibles to read if you want originality. Your forgetting that king james broke off from the pope to start his own religious sect so not only were alot of things lost in translation to english he probably threw some things out that he didn't like. And lastly NO the New Testament is not a continuation of the Old Testament. They are two completely separate books that have nothing to do with each other. Alot of the controversy with the bible stems from that fact that if you read the OT and the NT they contradict each other at certain points.

But of course being the wonderful believer you are you'll just say god blah blah blah and thats the way god wanted it or something along those lines. Honestly i sometimes think i could talk to a wall and get a better answer about things than if i were talking to Christians.

[dom]

by ur logic, u'd have to believe ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts as well.

the bible's a story book, a very good story book, but a work of fiction.

in 2000 yrs, ppl are gonna put all harry potter books together and form a new bible. they're gonna believe in witches and wizards and magic.

u have proof that it is fiction???
and i don't read ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts.
i may not have a scientific proof that it is really true, but i have faith in it.

The proof that it is fiction:

Most of the stories in the ancient testament have been discovered as sumerian legends.

Cool readings:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... tions.html

[nicko9000]

You just totally had a crack at religious peeps.

lol.

where do i sign up for matrinism?

can i be the phone box

You don't, our whole existence is...well...nonexistent.

So, start studying your binary.

0011
00010001001010001011
00111000000101010.

Why has this topic turned into a ninja dog/cat thread lol?

[Barotix]

by ur logic, u'd have to believe ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts as well.

the bible's a story book, a very good story book, but a work of fiction.

in 2000 yrs, ppl are gonna put all harry potter books together and form a new bible. they're gonna believe in witches and wizards and magic.

u have proof that it is fiction???
and i don't read ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts.
i may not have a scientific proof that it is really true, but i have faith in it.

The proof that it is fiction:

Most of the stories in the ancient testament have been discovered as sumerian legends.

Cool readings:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... tions.html

dom sly xem and GT.... give up, the "faithful" blind are like walls real stubborn walls.

even with POUNDS OF HISTORY, and RECENT ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES certain people just -_-.

ya'know?

[Rainigul]

by ur logic, u'd have to believe ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts as well.

the bible's a story book, a very good story book, but a work of fiction.

in 2000 yrs, ppl are gonna put all harry potter books together and form a new bible. they're gonna believe in witches and wizards and magic.

u have proof that it is fiction???
and i don't read ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts.
i may not have a scientific proof that it is really true, but i have faith in it.

Do you have proof Harry Potter is fiction?
I may not have scientific proof that it is really true, but I have faith in them.
Expelliarmus!

[Xyzzzy]

by ur logic, u'd have to believe ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts as well.

the bible's a story book, a very good story book, but a work of fiction.

in 2000 yrs, ppl are gonna put all harry potter books together and form a new bible. they're gonna believe in witches and wizards and magic.

u have proof that it is fiction???
and i don't read ancient greek tragedies and other ancient texts.
i may not have a scientific proof that it is really true, but i have faith in it.

The proof that it is fiction:

Most of the stories in the ancient testament have been discovered as sumerian legends.

Cool readings:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... tions.html

dom sly xem and GT.... give up, the "faithful" blind are like walls real stubborn walls.

even with POUNDS OF HISTORY, and RECENT ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES certain people just -_-.

ya'know?

Well even with proof of some stuff from that time, we all know that when the bible was formed many gospels were left out. It seems that all the gospels chosen were ones where Jesus was portrayed as a magical being. I believe Jesus may have existed but he was not magical. If anything he was a man with the greatest ethics system ever devised. but nothing more.