poehalcho wrote:ltsune wrote:Gaigemasta wrote:It's just hard for me imagine that religious people feel justified trying to control other peoples lives when in fact it does not harm other people. At this point they just like humanity under the thumb of a hateful god.
I do not know exactly what case you're thinking about.
As a christian here in Denmark, I can say that no Christians here in Denmark mind gay people. But the gay should not be able to force the churches into marrying them. Simply because it is against what is said in the Bible. The gay people SHOULD be allowed to get married in my opinion, but you can easily get married at the city hall (or whatever it's called).
Getting married in a church is a religious act, and you cannot be gay and Christian at the same time. Well, let me re-phrase that: You cannot live out your gay-feelings and be Christian at the same time, and thus, you cannot get married in a church if you're gay.
Sadly, here in Denmark, the state has now ruled that it is okay for churches to marry gay people. I do not get it. Why would a gay person want to be married in a Christian church? Just seems odd.
If the christians there don't mind the gays then why would the gays mind the christians? What would the motivation be for gays to not be christian and if neither side dislikes each other and is willing to be flexible, is there any reason to deny the service?
It's like your whining about the church keeping up with the times...
I think you misunderstood me a bit. It is true that both sides live just fine with each other here in Denmark.
The Christians don't mind the gay people, and the gay people don't mind the Christians.
That being said, there still is a reason to deny the "service". And let's start with the word "service".
You're talking about getting married in a church like it is something everyone should be doing, which is wrong. Getting married in a church is saying yes to God that you will live with each other and support each other for the rest of your lives.
Seeing as you cannot be gay and Christian at the same time (as that would simply contradict the bible, and therefore you can't call yourself a Christian), I can't understand why Gays would like to be married in a church.
This is not about equal rights. We all have equal rights - and we should have! I do not think any less of gay pay people at all. And frankly, I doubt any Christians do that (at least in Denmark).
But it feels like you guys (and most others who debate this matter) think about getting married in a church like something you can demand to be. It is not!
It is a religious commitment to both your wife/husband and God. Some people just tend to forget the "God" part.
Getting married in a church as gay people is just as weird as it would be for an atheist to pray every evening or have Ramadan.
TheDrop wrote:The Bible also forbids eating pork, working on Sabbath, remarrying after divorce, tattoos, cussing out parents, and requires abstinence. You sure you're still "Christian" brah
That is not entirely correct. The rules about not eating pork and working on Sabbath is all something you'll find located in the old testament. If you have read the new testament you'll know that what Jesus did was to set us - the people - free from the "old" rules. He did this when he died on the cross for us.
The thing about remarrying after a divorce is correct, though. That is talked about in the new testament as well, and it is to be considered wrong in my opinion.
The tattoos part is sort of the same as when some people read the bible as saying that women should not wear jewelry. This is completely misunderstood, though. There are several times where God talk about Jerusalem and say that he "adorned you (Jerusalem) with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head."
The thing to remember, however, is that it is also said that women should not dress up or wear jewelry so that they may lead a married man to sin. As in - they shouldn't seduce them (a bit off-topic - but thought I would just mention it).
