Boy tries to rape mom, kills her, over Call of Duty ban

[*BlackFox]

Teach em responsibility and not to jump in and play with it lol.

Of course, but.. they would still have "their own wonderful ideas!" lulz

[Ganja]

18y/o minimum age for shotguns/rifles, and 21y/o for a handgun from dealers.

Why is that the wrong way around?

Statistically handguns are more "dangerous" that shotguns or rifles because they are used in more murders and other criminal mischief. They are also easier to conceal.

[Toshiharu]

There are thousands of kids out there with rifles in rifle competitions for aiming. Do you see them going around mass murdering? Nope.

I personally think it's a bit naive to think that
the majority of people owning a gun in the United States own that gun to
join in on aiming competitions with strict rules.

If I implied that majority of rifles are used in competitions, I'm sorry, but that isn't where I was going with it. I was simply stating there are children out there with guns that enter competitions and has been that way for the past century.

[BuDo]

American culture is the problem..... Not the gun itself.. I feel mass murder would continue even without guns...Just look at the Boston marathon... Not having guns is a problem...and having it is also a problem.... Thanks to the culture...

[Ganja]

^Yep, I don't know why the guns always get the blame. They did what they were supposed to do, fire the bullet when the trigger is pulled.

[*BlackFox]

Because... People with guns "kill more people" than people without guns do.!

[TheDrop]

If you stop the bullshit of blaming inanimate objects :3.

If the kid wasn't unstable she wouldn't of even been attacked~


I don't think anyone's arguing this individual shouldn't of had a gun tho.

Because all inanimate objects provide the same capability and effortlessness in killing people.

And if his mom had an abortion he wouldnt be alive. That's not something you can control, but what you can control is giving a 14 year kid a gun or not. 14 year old kids are naturally unstable and impulsive. Not all of them have a gun to go shooting around with they throw temper tantrums tho.

So let's be the maker of no fun allowed. Let's take away all the rifle competition, because one kid ruined it for everyone. Yay!

Because rifle competitions are the only and ultimate form of competition. I guess it makes sense, since they are raising them to be fatass beer guzzling bigots, so athletics and intellectual fairs are out of question.

American gun culture is the problem...

[_Scarlett_]

And if his mom had an abortion he wouldnt be alive. That's not something you can control, but what you can control is giving a 14 year kid a gun or not. 14 year old kids are naturally unstable and impulsive. Not all of them have a gun to go shooting around with they throw temper tantrums tho.

Because rifle competitions are the only and ultimate form of competition. I guess it makes sense, since they are raising them to be fatass beer guzzling bigots, so athletics and intellectual fairs are out of question.

Sweeping generalizations to be had all around *passes beers*

However, no idea what abortion is being put there, nor why it's being brought up in this topic. Is a total non-related subject, and a really bad analogy. [non-sequitors anyone?] You could have said something else: You can't stop the rain; stop a hurricane; etc., etc. Still wouldn't be apt to bring up in a conversation such as this; just make the point that it [providing this individual with a firearm] could have been controlled better, to which everyone would most likely agree.

14 year olds aren't "naturally" unstable and impulsive; albeit, all humans can be, and generally are impulsive. Then again what do you mean by "unstable"? Do you mean psychopathic? or do you just mean "hormonal"? Big difference between the two. I don't know about people where you're from, but rarely even in the "teens" did anyone throw a temper tantrum, yet alone if they did, they felt reprisal a necessity possibly extending to harming others because of it.

[Fiction]

Sweeping generalizations to be had all around *passes beers*

Pretty much everything that TheDrop post is generalizations. I swear it's hard not to see how hypocritical he is... Calling someone a bigot while he's trying to deny them rights and belittle them. I can definitely tell TheDrop's English has improved a bit, but sadly he suffers the from the same old fallacies.

[DarkJackal]

If you stop the bullshit of blaming inanimate objects :3.

If the kid wasn't unstable she wouldn't of even been attacked~


I don't think anyone's arguing this individual shouldn't of had a gun tho.

Because all inanimate objects provide the same capability and effortlessness in killing people.

And if his mom had an abortion he wouldnt be alive. That's not something you can control, but what you can control is giving a 14 year kid a gun or not. 14 year old kids are naturally unstable and impulsive. Not all of them have a gun to go shooting around with they throw temper tantrums tho.

So let's be the maker of no fun allowed. Let's take away all the rifle competition, because one kid ruined it for everyone. Yay!

Because rifle competitions are the only and ultimate form of competition. I guess it makes sense, since they are raising them to be fatass beer guzzling bigots, so athletics and intellectual fairs are out of question.

American gun culture is the problem...

Having an abortion is a choice. Giving a kid a gun is a choice. How is one unable to be controlled rather than the other?

Kids may usually make more bad decisions for the fact they are kids, but not unstable. If you teach responsibility and w/e along with the gun I see no problem. Providing the kids mentally healthy. This particular kid probably had plenty of temper tantrums before hand that probably would of been a sign he wasn't. Stop putting a whole group of people together based on the actions of a few.
Its like banning fireworks because a kid blows his hand off. Not everyone elses fault is it lol.

Not all 14 year olds with guns use them to kill people either. You think you can just take any kid and when they are pissed off throwing a fit they would shoot people if they had a gun?

[Rawr]

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Penfold #2 in the making here.

[Bartic]

Why are we even arguing this here? They're idiots for giving their son a gun. Guns aren't really the problem here, but the ones using them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm neither for nor against guns.

[BuDo]

If you stop the bullshit of blaming inanimate objects :3.

If the kid wasn't unstable she wouldn't of even been attacked~


I don't think anyone's arguing this individual shouldn't of had a gun tho.

Because all inanimate objects provide the same capability and effortlessness in killing people.

And if his mom had an abortion he wouldnt be alive. That's not something you can control, but what you can control is giving a 14 year kid a gun or not. 14 year old kids are naturally unstable and impulsive. Not all of them have a gun to go shooting around with they throw temper tantrums tho.

So let's be the maker of no fun allowed. Let's take away all the rifle competition, because one kid ruined it for everyone. Yay!

Because rifle competitions are the only and ultimate form of competition. I guess it makes sense, since they are raising them to be fatass beer guzzling bigots, so athletics and intellectual fairs are out of question.

American gun culture is the problem...

Having an abortion is a choice. Giving a kid a gun is a choice. How is one unable to be controlled rather than the other?

Kids may usually make more bad decisions for the fact they are kids, but not unstable. If you teach responsibility and w/e along with the gun I see no problem. Providing the kids mentally healthy. This particular kid probably had plenty of temper tantrums before hand that probably would of been a sign he wasn't. Stop putting a whole group of people together based on the actions of a few.
Its like banning fireworks because a kid blows his hand off. Not everyone elses fault is it lol.

Not all 14 year olds with guns use them to kill people either. You think you can just take any kid and when they are pissed off throwing a fit they would shoot people if they had a gun?

Even tho your post is thoughtful and a fair assessment, logic doesn't rule the day when it comes to human beings...I'd wager you'd be amongst the many who'd start to get very concerned if there was an upsurge of 14 year olds obtaining firearms.... You probably wouldn't be so relaxed and content in your above view point....even tho you should be....

Your sound logic (which it is) would start to look questionable for the simple fact that you'd probably be worried about how well 14 year olds will adhere to/follow/uphold/ (and for how long) what it means to be responsible after being taught on the usage of firearms by a responsible parent.....14 years of age is still a developmental stage and not every teen mature at the same rate.....Teens don't need to throw a temper tantrum to kill...Their immaturity can be dangerous enough...

[Fiction]

Having an abortion is a choice. Giving a kid a gun is a choice. How is one unable to be controlled rather than the other?

Kids may usually make more bad decisions for the fact they are kids, but not unstable. If you teach responsibility and w/e along with the gun I see no problem. Providing the kids mentally healthy. This particular kid probably had plenty of temper tantrums before hand that probably would of been a sign he wasn't. Stop putting a whole group of people together based on the actions of a few.
Its like banning fireworks because a kid blows his hand off. Not everyone elses fault is it lol.

Not all 14 year olds with guns use them to kill people either. You think you can just take any kid and when they are pissed off throwing a fit they would shoot people if they had a gun?

Even tho your post is thoughtful and a fair assessment, logic doesn't rule the day when it comes to human beings...I'd wager you'd be amongst the many who'd start to get very concerned if there was an upsurge of 14 year olds obtaining firearms.... You probably wouldn't be so relaxed and content in your above view point....even tho you should be....

Your sound logic (which it is) would start to look questionable for the simple fact that you'd probably be worried about how well 14 year olds will adhere to/follow/uphold/ (and for how long) what it means to be responsible after being taught on the usage of firearms by a responsible parent.....14 years of age is still a developmental stage and not every teen mature at the same rate.....Teens don't need to throw a temper tantrum to kill...Their immaturity can be dangerous enough...

Why would an upsurge in 14 year old gun owners be alarming? I'm sure there are thousands of teenagers with much more lethal guns than a .22(which is just a step up from a BB gun), yet here we are talking about "gun culture" as being a bad thing. We have over 300 million people in this country, and people like TheDrop are some of the true bigoted minded people, they'd take the rights away from millions based on the actions of a relatively small amount of offenders.

-- Below: Rant discussing being responsible and also why America has a culture problem and not a "gun culture" problem.

Logic and reason do rule the day when determining whose a responsible gun owner and who is not. A women giving her 14 year old kid a .22, when she knows he's a little asshole, is not logical or reasonable, and therefor, she was not being very responsible. The fault lies with the mother and the child, not the gun. Just like a while back, there was a 15 year old girl that drove her friend's mom's car and ended up killing herself with it. The blame fell on the little girl, and the irresponsible parents, not the car. Stop, this echo chamber crap, and stop painting everyone with the same brush because of one incident.

You could remove every single weapon designed to kill, and I bet you we'd still have the same murder rate. It's not about "gun culture". It's much more complicated than that. Just take a small glimpse into the inner city gangs that we have in every major city, and it will show you that murder has more to do with poverty and poor education than with the tool in which the act was carried out with. So if you anti-gun advocates actually gave a shit about people, like you claim to, then why not try to raise people up... and that does not mean create a police state where we arrest a kid for having weed, or tax the shit out of them and build a Farking ghetto, or continue making more and more laws to restrict economical growth or create laws to make younger and unskilled workers ability to obtain a job harder and harder(For example: minimum wage laws do hurt a lot of these people).

I'd say government along with the banks and big corporations have had a big hand in perverting a lot of things that have caused such difficulties in this country, which leads us to the culture we have. Basically my rant is about opening your eyes to the bigger picture and stop looking at and trying to fix an issue in a one dimensional way. Until human nature evolves to a new level of society where greed, anger, envy, and all those traits are done away with, than we will always have crime and war, no matter the means by which they are waged.

[DarkJackal]

I don't think i'd worry any more than I would now. There's always some worry about people you don't know, not because of a gun though.

[*BlackFox]

I don't think i'd worry any more than I would now. There's always some worry about people you don't know, not because of a gun though.

I somewhat agree.. But being out "late at night" can be dangerous for everyone
because criminals with guns. etc.. are often out under the cover of darkness.

[omier]

I don't think i'd worry any more than I would now. There's always some worry about people you don't know, not because of a gun though.

I somewhat agree.. But being out "late at night" can be dangerous for everyone
because criminals with guns. etc.. are often out under the cover of darkness.

Depends where you live.

[*BlackFox]

^ Nah ! It doesn't matter.. Criminals are everywhere!

[omier]

^ Nah ! It doesn't matter.. Criminals are everywhere!

When I go outside at night here where I live, I don't expect to get shot. If I lived in Venezuela for example, I probably wouldn't feel the same. You seem so paranoid, damn media scaring people.

[*BlackFox]

You seem so paranoid, damn media scaring people.

Nah.. I'm never paranoid. lulz But... there's crazy people out there, you know.

[Rawr]

"late at night" can be dangerous for everyone
because criminals with guns. etc.. are often out under the cover of darkness.

You do know that most crimes are committed without firearms, right?
I was on vacation a few years back, the latch on my front door was bad at the time causing it to blow open once in a while... my front door was open for 9 days straight, yes, 9. Guess what... nothing was touched.

I can go out at night anytime here and feel safe, going out at 12-3AM is very common for me [2nd shift]. I'm still here in one piece without any abnormal encounters.

Now if I was still living in Chicago AKA "Murder City" my house would have been stripped, burned down, and I would have been shot by now probably.
There have been less than a dozen shootings within 200 miles in the last 14 years I've been here, yet Chicago has over 10,000 deaths by firearms in the same amount of time.

So yes, it does depend on where you live and commute. Not all of the US is like what you see on the news... not even close.

I do agree 100%, though, people are farking crazy.

[*BlackFox]

My neighborhood seemed pretty calm, but lately has been overrun with crimes
Burglary, shooting, assault, abuse etc... Ah, well, what can you do?

[BuDo]

Why would an upsurge in 14 year old gun owners be alarming?

Again they are in a developmental stage. Being capable doesn't mean you are intellectually, emotionally, psychologically ready. How many 14 year olds you know that consistently make sound and thoughtful decisions vs those that don't...decisions about anything... The fact is they are suppose to and are expected to make rash/daring/questionable decisions as they are in the exploratory phase of their life...Its part of the developmental process...

I'm sure there are thousands of teenagers with much more lethal guns than a .22(which is just a step up from a BB gun), yet here we are talking about "gun culture" as being a bad thing. We have over 300 million people in this country, and people like TheDrop are some of the true bigoted minded people, they'd take the rights away from millions based on the actions of a relatively small amount of offenders.

True about lots of teenagers with guns not causing any issues. But you couldn't use these few as a blanket statement to support your argument without appearing hypocritical....

Logic and reason do rule the day when determining whose a responsible gun owner and who is not.

While logic and reason should be used in determining whose a responsible gun owner, it does not guarantee that the person whom is deemed responsible will continue to be so. Or was ever truly responsible to begin with. Which is what I'm saying in my post when I said logic does not rule the day when it comes to humans....

A women giving her 14 year old kid a .22, when she knows he's a little asshole, is not logical or reasonable, and therefor, she was not being very responsible. The fault lies with the mother and the child, not the gun. Just like a while back, there was a 15 year old girl that drove her friend's mom's car and ended up killing herself with it. The blame fell on the little girl, and the irresponsible parents, not the car. Stop, this echo chamber crap, and stop painting everyone with the same brush because of one incident.

Yes agreed

You could remove every single weapon designed to kill, and I bet you we'd still have the same murder rate. It's not about "gun culture". It's much more complicated than that. Just take a small glimpse into the inner city gangs that we have in every major city, and it will show you that murder has more to do with poverty and poor education than with the tool in which the act was carried out with. So if you anti-gun advocates actually gave a shit about people, like you claim to, then why not try to raise people up... and that does not mean create a police state where we arrest a kid for having weed, or tax the shit out of them and build a Farking ghetto, or continue making more and more laws to restrict economical growth or create laws to make younger and unskilled workers ability to obtain a job harder and harder(For example: minimum wage laws do hurt a lot of these people).

Totally agree

I'd say government along with the banks and big corporations have had a big hand in perverting a lot of things that have caused such difficulties in this country, which leads us to the culture we have. Basically my rant is about opening your eyes to the bigger picture and stop looking at and trying to fix an issue in a one dimensional way. Until human nature evolves to a new level of society where greed, anger, envy, and all those traits are done away with, than we will always have crime and war, no matter the means by which they are waged.

Totally agree again

[TheDrop]

And if his mom had an abortion he wouldnt be alive. That's not something you can control, but what you can control is giving a 14 year kid a gun or not. 14 year old kids are naturally unstable and impulsive. Not all of them have a gun to go shooting around with they throw temper tantrums tho.

Because rifle competitions are the only and ultimate form of competition. I guess it makes sense, since they are raising them to be fatass beer guzzling bigots, so athletics and intellectual fairs are out of question.

Sweeping generalizations to be had all around *passes beers*

However, no idea what abortion is being put there, nor why it's being brought up in this topic. Is a total non-related subject, and a really bad analogy. [non-sequitors anyone?] You could have said something else: You can't stop the rain; stop a hurricane; etc., etc. Still wouldn't be apt to bring up in a conversation such as this; just make the point that it [providing this individual with a firearm] could have been controlled better, to which everyone would most likely agree.

14 year olds aren't "naturally" unstable and impulsive; albeit, all humans can be, and generally are impulsive. Then again what do you mean by "unstable"? Do you mean psychopathic? or do you just mean "hormonal"? Big difference between the two. I don't know about people where you're from, but rarely even in the "teens" did anyone throw a temper tantrum, yet alone if they did, they felt reprisal a necessity possibly extending to harming others because of it.

He used a stupid analogy for comparison as if it had any meaning, my "abortion" retort was the same.
Hormonal, and yes all humans are impulsive but teenagers are more so because of their hormones. Trust me, I'm currently one, maybe you are getting too old Cam.
Now I'm not saying that this kid is normal, I'm saying that some kids are more neurotic than others and this kid is probably more f'cked up for w/e his past/background is - that does not necessarily mean hes mentally ill or sociopathic - As you can see, he himself called 911

'I’m not joking at all. She’s dead. I’m scared. I killed my mom with my .22. I don’t know why I did it.'

. People do retarded shit in the heat of the moment. not all of them have a Farking gun to shoot, and possessing a gun itself gives a sense of power at that moment. If this kid had a knife he would probably have injured his mom then come to his senses and she might have survived - rather than being killed in 2 trigger pulls.
The beer guzzling bit was my attempt to avoid hurting Fiction's feelings by not using the word redneck, obviously it didn't work
@DarkJackal; same shit I wrote for Cam. The abortion bit was hyperbolic, the kid has no choice in him [the kid] being aborted, same as in he has no say in his mental temperament.
Not arguing against responsible use of guns (though keeping them at home isn't necessary), but theres a gun culture in some parts where owning a gun seems to be seen as a right, not a privilege, by the parents.
@Rawr;

I see Fiction still has trouble distinguishing between the lethality/efficiency of a gun and a knife/pencil/orange/underwear.
American gun culture is part of American culture
Wheres your outrage over the ban on post-86 automatic rifles? Isn't that the gov't trampling and shitting on your rights? How do you plan to take down a tyrant gov't with your petty semi automatics?
The constitution is a living document

[MrJoey]

Oh look, another topic with generalizations and opinions based off of sensationalist media. *yawn*

[TheDrop]

I'm struggling to see how going from "background checks at gun stores" to include "background checks at gun shows" is a government overreach in regulation, and ergo [by Holy Decree of the NRA and Tea Party 'Patriots'] tyranny/fascism/sharia law (probably, somehow)

[*BlackFox]

They Just check you.. by the state police, which includes FBI.

[Fiction]

Hey, TheDrop, they want you down there.

[TheDrop]

hey Fic, private prisons.

[Fiction]

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