Health Care Reform

[XemnasXD]

well apparently sarah palin believes dinosaurs were around 5 thousand years ago

go figure

god i hope she runs against obama in 2012...

[heroo]

this should have happened a long time ago.

[Love]

this should have happened a long time ago.

>.>

I am done offending for the night, is a very obvious to me that I cannot abolish stupidity by myself.

[heroo]

this should have happened a long time ago.

>.>

I am done offending for the night, is a very obvious to me that I cannot abolish stupidity by myself.

who you're calling stupid?

don't come here and act like einstein. and calling people names doesn't make you any smarter, it only makes you look more retarted.

learn to discuss.

[Love]

this should have happened a long time ago.

>.>

I am done offending for the night, is a very obvious to me that I cannot abolish stupidity by myself.

who you're calling stupid?

don't come here and act like einstein. and calling people names doesn't make you any smarter, it only makes you look more retarted.

learn to discuss.

Read my response to ownage then read what you said, I'll let you come to a conclusion and respond tomorrow if needed, and to be very clear I called YOU stupid, I don't mind looking retarded this way when you sound so put together yourself.

[heroo]

Read my response to ownage then read what you said, I'll let you come to a conclusion and respond tomorrow if needed, and to be very clear I called YOU stupid, I don't mind looking retarded this way when you sound so put together yourself.

i've read your responses.

still i say this should have happened a long time ago.

and still i think you're retarted.

[Love]

Read my response to ownage then read what you said, I'll let you come to a conclusion and respond tomorrow if needed, and to be very clear I called YOU stupid, I don't mind looking retarded this way when you sound so put together yourself.

i've read your responses.

still i say this should have happened a long time ago.

and still i think you're retarted.

Then you and I have little to talk about couse ......... ya that is just going to end up with more insults, nvm.

Bit late here so I might not get back at you tonight but since you like to have discussions why don't you tell me what and why you think should've happened a long time ago, give me a proper response with your most valid arguments and I will do the same for you ( I am thinking now that always being right gets pretty boring, specially when the other side has essentially nothing to say back and then of course in my infinite self absorption I tell myself that I must be quite the nice person to keep doing this which ironically enough is true ... ).

[SidiousX]

I think its a good thing thats there is a universal healt care system in USA now.
It's selfish to think 'omg i have to pay money for others' wait untill you get cancer yourself and you have the problem of having no money. Also when you get older, and you will have more ned of health care, see if you can pay for it than w/o health insurance.

[Midori]

I think its a good thing thats there is a universal healt care system in USA now.
It's selfish to think 'omg i have to pay money for others' wait untill you get cancer yourself and you have the problem of having no money. Also when you get older, and you will have more ned of health care, see if you can pay for it than w/o health insurance.

already paid for by the government.

[heroo]

Bit late here so I might not get back at you tonight but since you like to have discussions why don't you tell me what and why you think should've happened a long time ago, give me a proper response with your most valid arguments and I will do the same for you ( I am thinking now that always being right gets pretty boring, specially when the other side has essentially nothing to say back and then of course in my infinite self absorption I tell myself that I must be quite the nice person to keep doing this which ironically enough is true ... ).

1. 35 million americans are not insured.

2. if i'm not mistaken, at this moment the U.S. has the most expensive healthcaresystem in the world.

So, what happened today should have happened a long time ago.

[VforVendetta]

Think for the very least people need to watch Sicko. Yes its by Michael Moore but this movie has a lot more fact rather than sensational messages than his other movies and shows pretty much everything that has been discussed in this thread. On top of that its an easier way of getting the message accross to people like Ownage.

[Disconn3cted]

republicans aren't raging because of the bill, they are raging because obama is black.

They aren't raging because he is black, they are raging because Obama is not a religious fundamentalist.

[Zyphir]

The United States were one (or maybe the only?) of the few countries who still had no system like this. Only about time this happened if you ask me. Or maybe that's just because I'm used to such a system.

[Sharp324]

I wouldn't mind helping someone with cancer. But im against helping every lazy ass that just doesn't want to do anything. And yeah lets spend more money the country doesn't have...

[Jstar1]

republicans aren't raging because of the bill, they are raging because obama is black.

fcking hell, seriously?

actually I was misleading. I meant to say that a lot of the vitreol and anger that republicans and tea party people have against obama is thinly veiled racism. The personal attacks are really really extreme and I believe that the criticism wouldn't be as personal or vicious if obama was white.

Republicans have absolutely no right to whine about the deficit or nationalized healthcare when their own prescription drug bill for seniors increased government healthcare and when they decided to spend more than they have.

Did bush fail finance class in high school? He cut taxes and then increased spending. Is he fcking stupid? Thats like getting a reduced salary and then deciding to take out a loan for a new house. Bush is one of the few presidents that took a surplus and turned it into a massive deficit. Republicans are hypocrites and douchefags. go to hell.

[XemnasXD]

I wouldn't mind helping someone with cancer. But im against helping every lazy ass that just doesn't want to do anything. And yeah lets spend more money the country doesn't have...

lets be honest you, you don't even know whats in the bill or how the healthcare system works and the people who benefit from it the most...which would be old people, not poor/lazy people...but i like what you did, general statement pretending to know what your talking about so you can get into the discussion...its cute...

[*BlackFox]

the people who benefit from it the most...which would be old people, not poor/lazy people

QFT

[leehyori26]

Well i wanna say some things but im no going to get in it cause i dont feel like getting flamed for my ideas so w/e

Well IF this bill gets signed there are going to be LOADS of lawsuits people have already started filing them so you know the government can have a fun time all we have to wait for is the bill to pass and BOOM lawsuit upon lawsuit on their door

To the people against it not that im against you i am actually against universal healthcare myself even if we were to get a new President in the next 3 years rrepealing it would be a pain in the a** and when somethings free a majority of the people who use it dont want to give it up anyways look at welfare

[wootpops]

what are they sueing against? fair healthcare for all?

[leehyori26]

Unlike alot of people here, some people in the US do not want universal healthcare and are willing to do anything to stop it

[BuDo]

We all know that a corporation only cares about the bottom line..Greed is the order of the day and a corporation shrouds it in slang terminology like "profit margins".."having an competitive edge"..."innovation" etc. It is profitable for a corporation to do business with only people who can afford health care. They don't give a dam about people who can't pay..whether those people are dying or not. The bottom line is all that matters...not you're well being..even when you have money to pay for your health care all the corporation cares about is that you have the money to pay....nothing else....A huge part of their business plan is to keep cost down as well..I've seen many cases where even paying customers were having trouble getting the right treatment that they paid for....Should something like your health and well being be left up to a corporation to decide? I'm glad to live where I do because I don't ever have to worry about whats gonna happen to me if I'm sick. The government takes care of that. And the taxes I pay solidifies that. A corporation can bail when troubles arrive but its hard for the government to run off to with my money to some island in the sun.

[leehyori26]

We all know that a corporation only cares about the bottom line..Greed is the order of the day and a corporation shrouds it in slang terminology like "profit margins".."having an competitive edge"..."innovation" etc. It is profitable for a corporation to do business with only people who can afford health care. They don't give a dam about people who can't pay..whether those people are dying or not. The bottom line is all that matters...not you're well being..even when you have money to pay for your health care all the corporation cares about is that you have the money to pay....nothing else....A huge part of their business plan is to keep cost down as well..I've seen many cases where even paying customers were having trouble getting the right treatment that they paid for....Should something like your health and well being be left up to a corporation to decide? I'm glad to live where I do because I don't ever have to worry about whats gonna happen to me if I'm sick. The government takes care of that.

I like where you're coming from with that post (no im not being sarcastic) I agree with you on pretty much all of it. My only issue with reform is.......(im preparing for teh flame for some reason specifcally from xemnas) that yes it helps alot of people and yes its good that the government cares to some extent BUT there is a point where you have to say STOP and refuse to let the government get in your business ALL the time just like the census...my other issue is just like welfare I'M paying extra taxes so some lazya** people can go to the doctor for some remedial issue and just have it payed for there on the spot because me, my dad, and other hardworking people got their paychecks reduced by ALOT to pay for this stuff and its only a matter of time before someone takes advantage just like welfare has been

[Ningyotsukai-san]

I like where you're coming from with that post (no im not being sarcastic) I agree with you on pretty much all of it. My only issue with reform is.......(im preparing for teh flame for some reason specifcally from xemnas) that yes it helps alot of people and yes its good that the government cares to some extent BUT there is a point where you have to say STOP and refuse to let the government get in your business ALL the time just like the census...my other issue is just like welfare I'M paying extra taxes so some lazya** people can go to the doctor for some remedial issue and just have it payed for there on the spot because me, my dad, and other hardworking people got their paychecks reduced by ALOT to pay for this stuff and its only a matter of time before someone takes advantage just like welfare has been

*Sigh* "No more hand outs!" ...

Eh, yea there'll be some individuals that'll do this, but there's a far greater number of people that need help that truly need it (conditions / financial troubles) ...

The saying that a rotten apple ruins the whole batch is a crock of shit ... yea, in a batch of apples, you're bound to run into a rotten few, but there's also a larger number of overlooked apples simply because they're on the bottom of the basket...

[leehyori26]

Sigh* "No more hand outs!" ...

Eh, yea there'll be some individuals that'll do this, but there's a far greater number of people that need help that truly need it (conditions / financial troubles) ...

The saying that a rotten apple ruins the whole batch is a crock of shit ... yea, in a batch of apples, you're bound to run into a rotten few, but there's also a larger number of overlooked apples simply because they're on the bottom of the basket...

Hmm i sense some sarcasm going on in that first sentence lol

Oh i love that saying in the last bit xD

[XemnasXD]

For the record i have no problem with you being against the bill, which passed btw. My problem comes with this

my other issue is just like welfare I'M paying extra taxes so some lazya** people can go to the doctor for some remedial issue and just have it payed for there on the spot because me, my dad, and other hardworking people got their paychecks reduced by ALOT to pay for this stuff and its only a matter of time before someone takes advantage just like welfare has been

Now i know people on welfare. I know people who could be on welfare but choose, struggling with debt, not to be. I know people who lazily get their check and feel like that's all they have to do in the world. I know people who don't have a family to take care of them and need their check so they can keep going to school and getting by. To blindly lump everyone who is on welfare into the lazy category is unrealistic and ignorant. The system wasn't designed for lazy people and its there for a reason. Is it perfect, no, but welfare doesn't take up as much as your taxes as you think and people who pretend like it does are normally people who don't actually know what they're talking about. Also if you think getting a welfare check is easy and theres no sort of system setup to stop people from abusing it, you're also wrong. Again is it full-proof, no, but its not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.

This bill was designed FOR the hardworking people. The people who work the day to day to make ends meet so they don't have to take handout from anyone but they don't make enough money to afford healthcare. Its the middle class, those 35 million people who just got coverage, its the hard working class who now don't have to worry that an injury could leave them homeless or a preexisting condition will deny them what they're paying for. There are people who work two minimum wage jobs to make ends meet who end up going bankrupt over healthcare bills. There are people who have own farms and homes and business who get swallowed up by healthcare bills.

Also another sign that you don't know what you're talking about is that people were already getting some sort of healthcare before and you were already paying for it, if you pay taxes. When someone without insurance goes to a hospital and gets treatment because they can't be denied guess who picks up the bill...the taxpayers. Now that the bill is in place there is a better way to monitor and control that and healthy people actually go to the hospital less and for less drastic things than unhealthy people who wait until its critical and they are forced to go even though they can't afford it. Overall the bill will lower the cost of healthcare for americans and the cost of medicaid and medicare. So thats not more money taken out of your paycheck, in the long run had the bill not passed more would've been taken out...


I can't flame down a well educated, well thought out response whether i agree with it or not. I can try and am certainly not above it but if your facts are solid then theres nothing i can do about it...if you're just spilling a bunch of BS out your mouth than...inc flames...

[BuDo]

I'd like to think we as people govern ourselves...the entire nation makes the decision....not some small greedy corporate group. The government has an obligation to answer to the masses (And yes I know they don't always) but a corporation doesn't owe any of us anything and the only reason why they are obligated to carry out lawful business practice is because the government (us) enforces regulations upon them.

leehyori26 I know you will have lazy people not contributing to the system but that increased taxation on your father's paycheque will probably result in the same amount he was paying his health insurance which equals things out to be the same. He's no longer paying a insurance company but is now paying the government. So his monthly income is the same. And in my country it is way way less than me paying a private insurance. It can be the same for yours.

[Deadsolid]

my dad, and other hardworking people got their paychecks reduced by ALOT to pay for this stuff

Your dad's and "other hardworking people's" money is going to save a life. Maybe you should consider the fact that many "other hardworking people's" money could save you or your dad or your friends and family members life one day.

Seriously, I don't understand why Americans are so detached from reality. We can't work alone and succeed. When you go to apply for a job, what is almost certainly one of the questions they ask you?...Do you work well in a team? Giving up a little for the greater good is never a bad thing.

BTW: Your dad's, and other hardworking people's paycheck hasn't been reduced considering that as of 6:45 EST 3/22/10 the bill hasn't been signed by the President.

[leehyori26]

Im never posting in the OFT again

[Jstar1]

Im never posting in the OFT again

nobody said you had to

[strangelove]

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