Kirk bashing on Charles Darwin

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[Deadsolid]

I haz the solution, we go up the heavanz and take a big syringe and stick it in the big guy, then we inject it into the smallz weekling non believerz so they believez, ta-da!

To be honest, by the time you are the age of 18 you've already made up your mind. I made up my mind when I was 16. Religion is only important philosophically. Psychology (physical aspect, the brain and such) and Biology are very concrete whereas religion is ideas.

btw, gj to Kirk

Edit: and 3:06 to 3:20 ish is Epic: here is "the opposing and correct view" now go make up your mind lol

[Blurred]

Good video.

[DarkJackal]

Someone should goto a bunch of churches/christian schools with free books about evolution and stuff ;d.

[Shaka Laka]

ohh, that Kirk.

>.>

[zShared]

Good for him.
Both should be taught in school.
I don't really think that giving away a book is going to change many, if any, peoples view on it.. kind of doubt they would even bother reading it.

that's all I'll say on this for now.

[iGod]

Good for him.
Both should be taught in school.
I don't really think that giving away a book is going to change many, if any, peoples view on it.. kind of doubt they would even bother reading it.

that's all I'll say on this for now.

Why?

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[TheDrop]

Both should be taught in school.

lol? I'm not a Christian/Jew/Islamic, so why should i be learning those religion's philosophies at school?

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Both should be taught in school.

lol? I'm not a Christian/Jew/Islamic, so why should i be learning those religion's philosophies at school?

Exactly.

Teach 1 religion ( christianity) you'll have to teach all of them.

Origin of species = Only thing that should be allowed in school

[[SD]Master_Wong]

im confused to what he is saying

is he denying or embracing the origin of evolution he is both bashing it and prasing it wtf

nothing did create everything is just one theory albiet the most popular

fyi i choose not to believe in god for a number of reasons one been it dont make sense have you ever read the bible and wonder why non of these things happen today?

some of the worse periods in our history and no divine intervention took place?!?!

honestly thats just one religion look at all the others it make no sense for them all to be the only one

no god exists not as we know them anyways, god could quite likly be an alien prove me wrong

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It's not just about religion, they should teach about an alternative. For the least, discuss it. You don't need to learn about the religions history, just the fact that we may of came from a higher being. That's it.

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Both should be taught in school.

lol? I'm not a Christian/Jew/Islamic, so why should i be learning those religion's philosophies at school?

Just because you learn something doesn't mean you have to believe or accept it.
You should be learning it because (speaking for America) once upon a time the bible was considered a historic document (Still is by some, not most). Not just some book about how you should live your life and better yourself.
You could choose for yourself what you want to believe. They're both theories, either could be right, or they could both be wrong. Teaching one as a fact without even mentioning the other is wrong, imo.

What blurred said.

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Omg, that is a beautiful accent.

What accent is that?

[TheDrop]

Both should be taught in school.

lol? I'm not a Christian/Jew/Islamic, so why should i be learning those religion's philosophies at school?

Just because you learn something doesn't mean you have to believe or accept it.
You should be learning it because (speaking for America) once upon a time the bible was considered a historic document (Still is by some, not most). Not just some book about how you should live your life and better yourself.
You could choose for yourself what you want to believe. They're both theories, either could be right, or they could both be wrong. Teaching one as a fact without even mentioning the other is wrong, imo.

What blurred said.

I can see what you mean here. But the US is a country of immigrants. Some people are muslims, jews, christians, hindus, etc. All these religions have different "holy" books that the immigrants (that moved to the US) considered historic.

Supposed I'm a Buddhist and in one of my classes they are teaching about Christianity and about how all the people following a different religions are traitors or "evil", I would feel pretty uneasy. And why should they only teach the Bible in school while not teaching the Koran, Vedas, and w/e book the Jews have? That would be considered unequal/unfair.

And btw, they don't teach scientific theories as a fact ("Cell Theory", "Evolution Theory", "Big Bang Theory"), atleast not in my school system.
If someone wanted to teach their child about Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Hiduism, they should send their send their child to church or catholic school/mosque/[w/e temple the jews have]/temples. IMO.

And about what Blurred said. The religions have different opinions on the "creator". Some think its a guy with a white beard that sent a prophet to inform the people about him. Some think the world was created several gods. There are religions like Taoism/Greek myths/Chinese myths that contradict with that.

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I can see what you mean here. But the US is a country of immigrants. Some people are muslims, jews, christians, hindus, etc. All these religions have different "holy" books that the immigrants (that moved to the US) considered historic.

Supposed I'm a Buddhist and in one of my classes they are teaching about Christianity and about how all the people following a different religions are traitors or "evil", I would feel pretty uneasy. And why should they only teach the Bible in school while not teaching the Koran, Vedas, and w/e book the Jews have? That would be considered unequal/unfair.

And btw, they don't teach scientific theories as a fact ("Cell Theory", "Evolution Theory", "Big Bang Theory"), atleast not in my school system.
If someone wanted to teach their child about Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Hiduism, they should send their send their child to church or catholic school/mosque/[w/e temple the jews have]/temples. IMO.

No religion needs to be involved, just teach about a possible existence of a higher being as an alternative to evolution. It's as simple as that.

[_Scarlett_]

No religion needs to be involved, just teach about a possible existence of a higher being as an alternative to evolution. It's as simple as that.

All this delves into philosophy; Religion can stay out of public schools (this ofc is for the U.S; I'm not all too familiar with how it goes for other countries) for all I care. Teach that stuff in college or church where it belongs.

[Goseki]

It's not just about religion, they should teach about an alternative. For the least, discuss it. You don't need to learn about the religions history, just the fact that we may of came from a higher being. That's it.

No religion needs to be involved, just teach about a possible existence of a higher being as an alternative to evolution. It's as simple as that.

Even you acknowledge that coming from a higher being isn't concrete. At the starting levels of education, kids are too young to be able to grasp vague ideas like religion. You can offer a religions class in highschool so kids can see what's out there, but before that, teaching them concrete stuff is prob best.

The reason people in the US feel so strongly about Christianity is because the original 13 colonies were all some form of Christian state. It's one of those my folks believed this so do I. The US today is really far too diverse to have any 1 religion be dominant. I think kids should be exposed to it, but not at a young age where the first thing they hear they will believe.

[iGod]

I can see what you mean here. But the US is a country of immigrants. Some people are muslims, jews, christians, hindus, etc. All these religions have different "holy" books that the immigrants (that moved to the US) considered historic.

Supposed I'm a Buddhist and in one of my classes they are teaching about Christianity and about how all the people following a different religions are traitors or "evil", I would feel pretty uneasy. And why should they only teach the Bible in school while not teaching the Koran, Vedas, and w/e book the Jews have? That would be considered unequal/unfair.

And btw, they don't teach scientific theories as a fact ("Cell Theory", "Evolution Theory", "Big Bang Theory"), atleast not in my school system.
If someone wanted to teach their child about Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Hiduism, they should send their send their child to church or catholic school/mosque/[w/e temple the jews have]/temples. IMO.

No religion needs to be involved, just teach about a possible existence of a higher being as an alternative to evolution. It's as simple as that.

Teach deism in schools? Why? It can be summed up by one or two sentences, why teach it, or how even?

I'm sure everything you're proposing is mentioned in philosophy classes..

[XemnasXD]

Both should be taught in school.

lol? I'm not a Christian/Jew/Islamic, so why should i be learning those religion's philosophies at school?

Just because you learn something doesn't mean you have to believe or accept it.
You should be learning it because (speaking for America) once upon a time the bible was considered a historic document (Still is by some, not most). Not just some book about how you should live your life and better yourself.
You could choose for yourself what you want to believe. They're both theories, either could be right, or they could both be wrong. Teaching one as a fact without even mentioning the other is wrong, imo.

What blurred said.

You see in the United States we have the great liberty of not having to put up with other peoples religious bullshit. Separation of Church and State, that means in a public school thats funded by the federal gov't you can't have anything religious supported by the school. Its not about which side is right and which side is wrong. Its the Law because the founding fathers said that everyone is free to practice whatever religion they please or none at all and the gov't will show no bias or preference to any of them. They didn't follow it to the letter but thats the basic idea. Bible can't be taught in public school for that reason, no religious material can.

Now the reason why evolution is taught in school is because its Science. When you walk into a chemistry class you are there to learn Chemistry, the study of matter. The study of how molecules interact with one another to change physical and chemical properties. That is what you are supposed to learn. It has nothing to do with Atheism, you aren't learning this stuff to disprove religion, you're learning it because its fact. If you should find that Chemistry goes against YOUR religious beliefs that's YOUR problem, not a problem with science. Science is unbiased, science isn't based on refuting religion. The same goes for Biology, the study of living things. Biology and evolution are unbiased facts. Its not one guys point of view or some random persons side of the story. There is evidence to back it up what is taught, alot of evidence. That it goes against YOUR religious beliefs is agin, YOUR problem. If you want your kids to learn facts, unbiased and tested to the best of everyones knowledge then let them learn what is being taught.

Its not about sides of a story, there is only one story. The story is Science. Science that is tested, proven, researched, documented and based on the facts. If you don't agree with Science then that doesn't make your story valid or even worthy of the same recognition. It just means you don't agree with Science. If you want to open your kids up to the ideas of higher beings than put them in a Theology or Philosophy class. You don't start mixing up subject so that the story is tilted to your side. Math is Math. History is History. Biology is Biology. They are based on facts to the best of our knowledge. The idea of a higher being does not belong in any other classes anymore than it belongs in Biology. What if your kids were taught WWII was started by the devil working through Churchill so that he could defeat Germany who was supported by God. Or if we turned math into some like 1+1=whatever god is telling you it equals. Or that Plants and animals where created by a big invisible guy...oh wait. See how retarded it sounds when you start mixing supernatural teachings into subjects where they don't belong. If you walk into a Biology class you should be taught Biology, not Biology+faith based beliefs. Not the class for that. Wrong subject.

The whole argument isn't about religious people wanting an alternative side told. Its about them imposing their beliefs in the subject that they think contradicts it the most. If they were really interested in opening peoples minds to different possibilities they would do it in the subject or area that deals with that. Not in science class...a class that is supposed to be based on solid proven facts....

[Reise]

Oh no, oh God! Hitler and the fossil record! Shun the non-believers!

Didn't we just go and discover a transitional species in fossil form not too long ago? Remember that thing they were all saying was so significant? Yeah have fun disproving that.

[Rainigul]

I love how almost every scientist he lists that believed in god was pre-Darwin, and those who came afterward retained belief in god for lack of a better explanation.

Anyways, I think ray comfort is so funny. I think he actually believes what he says too, I always thought he was a hoax, but I'm thinking otherwise now.

It's not just about religion, they should teach about an alternative. For the least, discuss it. You don't need to learn about the religions history, just the fact that we may of came from a higher being. That's it.

This would be ok if there was any theory (a scientific theory, not an idea) about creation, or any evidence at all supporting the idea. But there isn't.

nothing did create everything is just one theory albiet the most popular

... No.
Only idiots say nothing created everything, the real theory is that everything always existed, once as a singularity.
There used to be theories that everything always existed, not as a singularity, but the second law of thermodynamics prevents that from being true (for if everything always existed outside of a singularity, then the heat death of the universe would have already been achieved).

Just because you learn something doesn't mean you have to believe or accept it.
You should be learning it because (speaking for America) once upon a time the bible was considered a historic document (Still is by some, not most). Not just some book about how you should live your life and better yourself.
You could choose for yourself what you want to believe. They're both theories, either could be right, or they could both be wrong. Teaching one as a fact without even mentioning the other is wrong, imo.

What blurred said.

I can see what you mean here. But the US is a country of immigrants. Some people are muslims, jews, christians, hindus, etc. All these religions have different "holy" books that the immigrants (that moved to the US) considered historic.

Supposed I'm a Buddhist and in one of my classes they are teaching about Christianity and about how all the people following a different religions are traitors or "evil", I would feel pretty uneasy. And why should they only teach the Bible in school while not teaching the Koran, Vedas, and w/e book the Jews have? That would be considered unequal/unfair.

And btw, they don't teach scientific theories as a fact ("Cell Theory", "Evolution Theory", "Big Bang Theory"), atleast not in my school system.
If someone wanted to teach their child about Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Hiduism, they should send their send their child to church or catholic school/mosque/[w/e temple the jews have]/temples. IMO.

And about what Blurred said. The religions have different opinions on the "creator". Some think its a guy with a white beard that sent a prophet to inform the people about him. Some think the world was created several gods. There are religions like Taoism/Greek myths/Chinese myths that contradict with that.

@ the first guy, they're not both theories. You don't know what a theory is. The word "Theory" has become vernacular for "idea", but it is actually a description of the process of a fact or general consensus... Etc, the theory of Darwinian Evolution explains the process of how the fact of evolution happens, via natural selection. However, there could be alternate theories of evolution, it's just none (that I know of) have been peer reviewed and accepted.

@ the second guy, I don't really have that much to say directed directly at you, but I'd just like to note that I believe religion can indeed be taught in school, but only in religion or philosophy classes, not in science classes. Although they can also be referred to in english or history classes, for religion certainly has mentioning worth in either case.

[.Banshee]

No religion needs to be involved, just teach about a possible existence of a higher being as an alternative to evolution. It's as simple as that.

Impossible without delving deep within the scriptures of Judaic religions, therefore impossible not to involve religion. Why should we take out valuable time in our scholarly schedule to address 3 religions when we could be doing something much more productive, like more advanced math or science classes? Also why should we teach the possibility of 1 supreme deity. Look at Buddhism, it's the fastest growing religion and they don't even have deities. Hinduism has one supreme deity believe it or not(Vishnu/Brahman)but that deity takes on the form of 33 thousand gods, humans, animals, plants, rocks, and inanimate things. Then to complicate it even more then there is the whole scenario with Atman(the essential self, or the part of Brahman inside you)and achieving Moksha(following dharma, or personal duties to the fullest of your ability and generating no negative karma)which is rejoining Brahman(the universe, the goal of the Hindu is for their Atman to rejoin Brahman). Then there is Daoism, I don't consider Confucianism a religion but more of a philosophy, Shintoism, and many other religions. If we take out time to discuss what a select group of people believe in in public school, then time should be taken out to discuss ALL the religions.

Also me->Columbia->one of the top 50 universities->me laughing alot with friends

[Rainigul]

@ Xemnas, you're right.

@Banshee, I thought Brahman was the supreme god, not vishnu? I dunno, it's been a long time since I've studied that.

[.Banshee]

Vishnu is Brahman, Vishnu is Shiva, Vishnu is Brahma. Brahman= universe. Brahma is the form Vishnu takes as the creator, Vishnu is the form of preserver, Shiva is the form Vishnu takes as the destroyer.

[TheDrop]

@ Xemnas, you're right.

@Banshee, I thought Brahman was the supreme god, not vishnu? I dunno, it's been a long time since I've studied that.

From what i've been told, in Hinduism there are 3 supreme gods, Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahma. Brahma is the creator of the universe. Vishnu is the guy that can become different people (Rama, Buddha, Hari, Narayana, etc). Shiva is the goddess of dance and destruction, dunno why he is thought to be important though.

[Rainigul]

I thought Brahman was Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahma. I thought he had 3 faces, and he was all of them.

Btw, Shiva is important because he is constantly dancing, and when he stops the universe will end.

I don't remember what Brahma does, but I remember he's important.

[EDIT:] Oh yeah, Brahma created the universe.

& Vishnu's important because he protects the world, he saved the earth from a giant snake by swallowing all the poison, that's why he's blue.

... I'm pretty sure anyways.

[.Banshee]

@ Xemnas, you're right.

@Banshee, I thought Brahman was the supreme god, not vishnu? I dunno, it's been a long time since I've studied that.

From what i've been told, in Hinduism there are 3 supreme gods, Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahma. Brahma is the creator of the universe. Vishnu is the guy that can become different people (Rama, Buddha, Hari, Narayana, etc). Shiva is the goddess of dance and destruction, dunno why he is thought to be important though.

It's because they are all egos of Vishnu. In Hinduism there is the belief that the world is created, destroyed, and re-created in an eternally repetitive cycle. It continually moves from 1 Maha Yuga(great age) to the next, with each lasting about 4million years. Each Maha Yuga consists of 4 shorter yugas, or ages, each of which is morally worse and of a shorter durtion than the age that preceded it. In the first yuga, Vishnu in the form of Brahma, the creator is the reigning god and everyone is of moral perfection and great virtue, then the next two yugas Vishnu reigns as supreme god and it's regular and what not. Finally the last yuga is ruled by Vishnu in his form of Shiva and at the end of the 4th age(the most immoral of the four yugas)Shiva destroys the world, then Brahma re-creates it.

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@Rai no Brahman is everything including Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahma.

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Yeeeesssss!!! I'm in one of those top 50 universities, can't wait to get my hands on one so I can start writing a parody. I'd parody this video, but this is the Internet.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

burn a copy infront of them please or more so take out the first 50pages and then burn them but dont forget to thank them for the gift xD