Hm. Watch this particular scenario carefully...

[pr0klobster]

I'm a gun owner and believe in education and proper use of a firearm. But this has me a little concerned:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/ap_ ... sters_guns

Video: (watch for the best part)
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/ ... 3&src=news

[Sharp324]

Well there is stupidity in every little group. Kinda common sense not to take a gun there, or out in public. But he cant be too bright if he has a EOtech anyway. Not exactly responsible to take a gun like that. There's a lot of kids that are around my guns when they are in my room, very careful about that. My cousin isn't too bright so definitely keep them from her. People like that make us look like wackjobs...

[pr0klobster]

Well there is stupidity in every little group. Kinda common sense not to take a gun there, or out in public. But he cant be too bright if he has a EOtech anyway. Not exactly responsible to take a gun like that. There's a lot of kids that are around my guns when they are in my room, very careful about that. My cousin isn't too bright so definitely keep them from her. People like that make us look like wackjobs...

Agreed.

[Mr.Ganji]

"To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."

He said people who bring guns to presidential events are distracting the Secret Service and law enforcement from protecting the president. "The more guns we see at more events like this, there's more potential for something tragic happening," he said.

The people who brought loaded guns to that rally, and people who from now on do so, should be fined, jailed, and have all their firearms confiscated. This is outrageous. Really, I am actually beginning to understand when Europeans call us retarded. This is retarded. Bringing weapons to a rally where hundreds of people, including the president, is insane. Its not getting any messages across. Its not fulfilling any purpose. Its there to simply stir people up and make some drama. Fucking attention whores. Fuck your "rights." The 2nd amendment doesnt apply in these kinds of situations - when things go too far, authorities need to crack down. Hard. This better not happen again.

[pr0klobster]

"To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."

He said people who bring guns to presidential events are distracting the Secret Service and law enforcement from protecting the president. "The more guns we see at more events like this, there's more potential for something tragic happening," he said.

The people who brought loaded guns to that rally, and people who from now on do so, should be fined, jailed, and have all their firearms confiscated. This is outrageous. Really, I am actually beginning to understand when Europeans call us retarded. This is retarded. Bringing weapons to a rally where hundreds of people, including the president, is insane. Its not getting any messages across. Its not fulfilling any purpose. Its there to simply stir people up and make some drama. Fucking attention whores. Fuck your "rights." The 2nd amendment doesnt apply in these kinds of situations - when things go too far, authorities need to crack down. Hard. This better not happen again.

Nope. Right to bear arms. Arizona is one of the states you can just carry a weapon in public.

Oh, and f* your rights too? If one right falls, how many will follow?

Although, this one does fall under the umbrella of "you CAN do this, but should you" like yelling fire in a theater, or joking about a bomb on a plane.

That's why I said we'd have to watch this.

[Mr.Ganji]

Nope. Right to bear arms. Arizona is one of the states you can just carry a weapon in public.

Oh, and f* your rights too? If one right falls, how many will follow?

Although, this one does fall under the umbrella of "you CAN do this, but should you" like yelling fire in a theater, or joking about a bomb on a plane.

That's why I said we'd have to watch this.

So. I guess you'd be fine if EVERY man and woman standing to watch and hear Obama speak in such a state was armed to the teeth. Thats not dangerous at all. The risk of an accident or disaster happening doesnt go up at all either.

The right to bear arms is a right that has lost sensibility and discretion over the years. Its not fair to compare a right that, by existing, kills thousands of innocent men and women a year, to a right that protects someone's right to practice their own religion. The 2nd amendment is an amendment that will one day be torn off our constitution. Someday.

You said it yourself. Even though there exists no written law, what those Arizonians did is unacceptable to society and a great disservice to the people in the community and security. We have a black president. Everyone knows there have been attempts to assassinate the president that have been thwarted. Everyone knows of the possibility of racial tensions that would arise from electing a black president. Everyone knows that due to terrorism and extreme religion, people all around the country are taking extra precautions with security. In the face of all that common knowledge, these douschefags had, not the balls, but the idiocy to bring loaded weapons to a presidential rally.

You know its wrong, just as much as I do. This was wrong, and if you're defending this kind of behavior, then you have problems.

[renegadebow]

Nope. Right to bear arms. Arizona is one of the states you can just carry a weapon in public.

Oh, and f* your rights too? If one right falls, how many will follow?

Although, this one does fall under the umbrella of "you CAN do this, but should you" like yelling fire in a theater, or joking about a bomb on a plane.

That's why I said we'd have to watch this.

So. I guess you'd be fine if EVERY man and woman standing to watch and hear Obama speak in such a state was armed to the teeth. Thats not dangerous at all. The risk of an accident or disaster happening doesnt go up at all either.

The right to bear arms is a right that has lost sensibility and discretion over the years. Its not fair to compare a right that, by existing, kills thousands of innocent men and women a year, to a right that protects someone's right to practice their own religion. The 2nd amendment is an amendment that will one day be torn off our constitution. Someday.

You said it yourself. Even though there exists no written law, what those Arizonians did is unacceptable to society and a great disservice to the people in the community and security. We have a black president. Everyone knows there have been attempts to assassinate the president that have been thwarted. Everyone knows of the possibility of racial tensions that would arise from electing a black president. Everyone knows that due to terrorism and extreme religion, people all around the country are taking extra precautions with security. In the face of all that common knowledge, these douschefags had, not the balls, but the idiocy to bring loaded weapons to a presidential rally.

You know its wrong, just as much as I do. This was wrong, and if you're defending this kind of behavior, then you have problems.

If the 2nd ammendment was ratified and no longer on the constitution (Sweet ammendment, Just to be able to shoot) It would screw americans over, we couldnt get guns, while criminals would get guns illegally and crime would rise, due to the offset of guns in the population. (Criminal/Civilian)

Take this example (Remember there is now no 2nd ammendment). A store owner is being robbed at gunpoint, the criminal illegaly obtained his weapon. The store owner cant defend himself, why? Because he cant purchase a gun.
How about a homeowner being robbed? He cant defend himself with a gun, its illegal to buy one. However the robber has a gun, he doesnt care about the law.

[Draquish]

Easy fix, imo.

Screen everyone whom comes to these things and confiscate their weapons until they exit... >_>

[pr0klobster]

Nope. Right to bear arms. Arizona is one of the states you can just carry a weapon in public.

Oh, and f* your rights too? If one right falls, how many will follow?

Although, this one does fall under the umbrella of "you CAN do this, but should you" like yelling fire in a theater, or joking about a bomb on a plane.

That's why I said we'd have to watch this.

So. I guess you'd be fine if EVERY man and woman standing to watch and hear Obama speak in such a state was armed to the teeth. Thats not dangerous at all. The risk of an accident or disaster happening doesnt go up at all either.

The right to bear arms is a right that has lost sensibility and discretion over the years. Its not fair to compare a right that, by existing, kills thousands of innocent men and women a year, to a right that protects someone's right to practice their own religion. The 2nd amendment is an amendment that will one day be torn off our constitution. Someday.

You said it yourself. Even though there exists no written law, what those Arizonians did is unacceptable to society and a great disservice to the people in the community and security. We have a black president. Everyone knows there have been attempts to assassinate the president that have been thwarted. Everyone knows of the possibility of racial tensions that would arise from electing a black president. Everyone knows that due to terrorism and extreme religion, people all around the country are taking extra precautions with security. In the face of all that common knowledge, these douschefags had, not the balls, but the idiocy to bring loaded weapons to a presidential rally.

You know its wrong, just as much as I do. This was wrong, and if you're defending this kind of behavior, then you have problems.

heh, I might defend any behavior as long as it's not illegal. But yeah, I don't know for the life of me why they chose to bring their guns to a rally. It just makes no sense to me.

The need for people walking around openly with guns has been reduced pretty drastically since the Wild West.

[Toasty]

People are allowed to walk around public areas with guns?

I know guns are legal in some or every part of America.. but situations like that are just stupid.

[Blurred]

People are allowed to walk around public areas with guns?

I know guns are legal in some or every part of America.. but situations like that are just stupid.

Yeah only a few states allow that as long as the gun is not concealed. Not a big problem to me. As a matter of fact, some guy tried to rob this store in my town, and because the store owner had a gun, the criminal ran away from the store owner without stealing a thing. The store owner didn't even shoot, he just pulled out his shotgun.

[*BlackFox]

OMFG, that's just plain stupid. Seriously!

[Mr.Ganji]

heh, I might defend any behavior as long as it's not illegal. But yeah, I don't know for the life of me why they chose to bring their guns to a rally. It just makes no sense to me.

The need for people walking around openly with guns has been reduced pretty drastically since the Wild West.

Bravo! You've just discovered one the reasons why the 2nd amendment makes no sense in 21st century America.

[pr0klobster]

People are allowed to walk around public areas with guns?

I know guns are legal in some or every part of America.. but situations like that are just stupid.

Depends on the state. Last I checked, about 30 states allowed "long" guns to be carried openly, varies whether or not a permit is required. Handguns and "assault" weapons are another matter entirely though.

Yes, I can walk out my front door carrying my 12 gauge or my rifle. But I don't see any reason to.

Plus, many many places (businesses, malls, churches, arenas, parks) do not allow guns, so it's effectively limited.

[Sharp324]

heh, I might defend any behavior as long as it's not illegal. But yeah, I don't know for the life of me why they chose to bring their guns to a rally. It just makes no sense to me.

The need for people walking around openly with guns has been reduced pretty drastically since the Wild West.

Bravo! You've just discovered one the reasons why the 2nd amendment makes no sense in 21st century America.

Yeah cause there's no need to defend yourself, there not anybody that will hurt you or your family, its a perfect, safe world, free or killers, rapists and thieves. Though as said before carrying it like that is stupid. Though you saying the 2nd amendment has no place in this time is just as much.

[Midori]

getting rid of the 2nd amendment would be stupid. the criminals with the guns don't get the legally. the people who do buy it legally aren't the majority of people who use them to kill other people.

[Barotix]

2nd Amendment:
Government has Guns.
Criminals acquire guns illegally.
Citizens acquire guns legally.

No 2nd Amendment:
Government has guns.
Criminals acquire guns illegally.
The black market for the illegal sale/purchase of firearms grows & expands. Crime Rate rises as a result. When a crime is created criminals soon follow.

SWEET! No 2nd Amendment is great. Now Joe the mugger can steal at gunpoint without fear of serious retaliation. We all know how reliable the police are in the US; they're awesome!

[Blurred]

2nd Amendment:
Government has Guns.
Criminals acquire guns illegally.
Citizens acquire guns legally.

No 2nd Amendment:
Government has guns.
Criminals acquire guns illegally.
The black market for the illegal sale/purchase of firearms grows & expands. Crime Rate rises as a result. When a crime is created criminals soon follow.

SWEET! No 2nd Amendment is great. Now Joe the mugger can steal at gunpoint without fear of serious retaliation. We all know how reliable the police are in the US; they're awesome!

Seriously.

Like when they banned alcohol in the 1920's

What happened? They sold it underground, and this created more crime; worst outcome.

[Mr.Ganji]

2nd Amendment:
Government has Guns.
Criminals acquire guns illegally.
Citizens acquire guns legally.

No 2nd Amendment:
Government has guns.
Criminals acquire guns illegally.
The black market for the illegal sale/purchase of firearms grows & expands. Crime Rate rises as a result. When a crime is created criminals soon follow.

SWEET! No 2nd Amendment is great. Now Joe the mugger can steal at gunpoint without fear of serious retaliation. We all know how reliable the police are in the US; they're awesome!

Why do you include the fact that the government has guns and the people won’t? You’re just READY to start a revolution, aren’t ya? This isn’t dramatic history. Its reality. Love being a rebel, don’t you? Ship your ass to Afghanistan – you’ll find plenty of people who hate their government, and the American government, there. I’d find it sad if you actually hoped for one, but preparing for a shootout with government troops is just as pathetic. Farking. Pathetic. Your lack of faith in the federal government is astounding. Folks, the United States government is scheming a plan to enslave all lower income families in America. We should arm ourselves to the teeth and just prepare for the moment. History will remember our generation as the brave warriors who gloriously battled against the government.

getting rid of the 2nd amendment would be stupid. the criminals with the guns don't get the legally. the people who do buy it legally aren't the majority of people who use them to kill other people.

Yeah cause there's no need to defend yourself, there not anybody that will hurt you or your family, its a perfect, safe world, free or killers, rapists and thieves. Though as said before carrying it like that is stupid. Though you saying the 2nd amendment has no place in this time is just as much.

The statistics are there. The deaths are real. Families suffer. Everything – the insane, skyrocketing gun-related homicide deaths, the murders, and illegal sale of weapons exist because of one thing – gun lobbyists. Everyone knows its wrong. You think the men and women who run our country don’t know it? They keep their mouths shut. And they keep them shut because they know that once they open them, the funding will disappear. Its not rocket science to figure out that guns are the problem, not the criminals. It’s a sad world. Until you people really open your eyes to reality, you’ll figure out that arming each citizen is not the solution to fighting crime. By supporting the 2nd amendment, you are supporting the notion that its perfectly healthy and safe for firefights to just burst open in the middle of a community. Because anytime, anywhere, our communities should allow public places to become warzones. Because we all live inside movie screens and we would just LOVE to be the main character, guns blazing, kicking ass. Wouldn’t it be great if it was only you and the bad guy who would get hurt/killed? Sorry, its not. And sorry again, you’re not Rambo. Your shots and his shots don’t always go where you want them to go. Before you know it, someone innocent is dead.

The issue of gun ownership has long been hard stuck as a perceived necessary element of society. Bad guys have guns because there are no laws to restrict it. Its not an issue about acquiring guns legally or illegally. Its about running a country where you cant get them AT ALL. Look it up yourself – the US has the HIGHEST homicide-by-gun related deaths of ALL OECD nations. Do some research. You’ll find that European countries have far lower crime rates and far lower murder rates. Why? Because gun laws are in place. This is about reducing CRIME. Not increasing the number of guns in society. Its not that hard to understand. Get rid of guns, and murder rates will plummet. Do you honestly believe the more firearms and more weapons there are in society, that it will be a safer place to live? I guess since that most of you believe that our police is so useless in protecting us, we should just disband the entire police force in the country. Wouldn’t that be great! No more speeding tickets.

Its not that hard to understand the concept. If guns are removed from the picture, everything becomes much, much safer. In countries where guns have an absolute ban, like Japan, the most lethal weapon an average murderer can carry is a knife. Pit him against the police, trained men and women, armed. It takes almost nothing to subdue him.

I guess we can’t help the raging male hormones, can we? Its not just the wrong belief that owning a firearm will “protect” you and your family, but also the perception that owning and being able to use a gun is just one more step to becoming a real man. Shootouts are glamorous.

Don’t own a gun unless you’re prepared to kill someone. Killing someone – that’s something we should all prepare for, isn’t it.

I’m not posting pictures, statistics, or evidence that the 2nd amendment is ruining society and ruining lives. Do that yourself. I’m done here. Laugh, if you still think you’re right. Go pet your shotgun. You can continue to believe in a violent, twisted world where you believe its yourself that is the solution to stopping crime. Its not my kid who’s going to find a gun in the closet and kill himself.

[CrimsonNuker]

[TOloseGT]

even though he wasn't doing anything illegal, it's just downright stupid to bring an automatic rifle to a Farking RALLY/PROTEST.

what an idiot. did he think he was smart just because he could wield a weapon and is protected? he's protesting healthcare reform, not Farking gun rights.

retard at its finest

[Barotix]

L-O-L. Ganji, strawman more? Where you got revolution and all that other nonsense from is beyond me when my emphasis was on criminals vs lawful citizens. Oh, and your "statistics;" do they come with a source or is that more hot air and *cough* propaganda? The states with the higher gun-related crime rates have what? OH THAT'S RIGHT! (caps intentional) STRICT GUN LAWS. The states with lax gun laws have what? OH YEAH! Little to no gun related crimes. Detroit =/= The US of A. And I'm soooo sorry for not having enough faith (what is this? a religion?) in the Coercive Manipulative Monopoly we refer to as the Federal Government of the United States. I'm soooo sorry for disagreeing with the stance the Federal Government of the United States takes on socio-economic issues. Please forgive me for not kissing the Government's ass every chance I get. PLEASE! I will never question the inefficiency of the Leviathan state again. From this point forward I will be a faithful nationalist, or I could take a shot of reality and realize that government is an inherently flawed and corrupt institution. Therefore, my faith would be a little ill-placed. Oh, and btw; since when did not liking the Federal Government of the United States = Not like the United States? Someone let me know when nationalism became the norm.

Since you're so quick to bring up revolution try to remember how this country was created (revolution), for whom it was created (individuals not government), and under which principles it was created(liberty). What was encroaching on the liberties & freedoms of the individual colonist of the United States of America? Don't think about that to long, also; when you use the word "statistics" don't assume what happens in your state or like-minded states on a daily basis is a norm. Remember: this is the United STATES of America. Each STATE's case should be looked at individually. Classic example: New York vs. Gerogia. Who has more gun-related crime. Who is more lax.

Did you know that DC has the lowest (iirc) gun ownership level in the US and the most gun-related homicides? Why do you believe shootouts will happen in the streets? What fantasy world do you live in where the police arrive before shots are fired, where criminals have nothing to do with crimes (paradox), where people start killing one another in the streets because it's so glorious and GTA4 irl is awesome? Seriously. Take your head of out the government's bankrupt bosom and think for yourself. Government is not the alpha and omega.

[John_Doe]

L-O-L. Ganji, strawman more? Where you got revolution and all that other nonsense from is beyond me when my emphasis was on criminals vs lawful citizens. Oh, and your "statistics;" do they come with a source or is that more hot air and *cough* propaganda? The states with the higher gun-related crime rates have what? OH THAT'S RIGHT! (caps intentional) STRICT GUN LAWS. The states with lax gun laws have what? OH YEAH! Little to no gun related crimes. Detroit =/= The US of A. And I'm soooo sorry for not having enough faith (what is this? a religion?) in the Coercive Manipulative Monopoly we refer to as the Federal Government of the United States. I'm soooo sorry for disagreeing with the stance the Federal Government of the United States takes on socio-economic issues. Please forgive me for not kissing the Government's ass every chance I get. PLEASE! I will never question the inefficiency of the Leviathan state again. From this point forward I will be a faithful nationalist, or I could take a shot of reality and realize that government is an inherently flawed and corrupt institution. Therefore, my faith would be a little ill-placed. Oh, and btw; since when did not liking the Federal Government of the United States = Not like the United States? Someone let me know when nationalism became the norm.

Since you're so quick to bring up revolution try to remember how this country was created (revolution), for whom it was created (individuals not government), and under which principles it was created(liberty). What was encroaching on the liberties & freedoms of the individual colonist of the United States of America? Don't think about that to long, also; when you use the word "statistics" don't assume what happens in your state or like-minded states on a daily basis is a norm. Remember: this is the United STATES of America. Each STATE's case should be looked at individually. Classic example: New York vs. Gerogia. Who has more gun-related crime. Who is more lax.

+1

[Blurred]

L-O-L. Ganji, strawman more? Where you got revolution and all that other nonsense from is beyond me when my emphasis was on criminals vs lawful citizens. Oh, and your "statistics;" do they come with a source or is that more hot air and *cough* propaganda? The states with the higher gun-related crime rates have what? OH THAT'S RIGHT! (caps intentional) STRICT GUN LAWS. The states with lax gun laws have what? OH YEAH! Little to no gun related crimes. Detroit =/= The US of A. And I'm soooo sorry for not having enough faith (what is this? a religion?) in the Coercive Manipulative Monopoly we refer to as the Federal Government of the United States. I'm soooo sorry for disagreeing with the stance the Federal Government of the United States takes on socio-economic issues. Please forgive me for not kissing the Government's ass every chance I get. PLEASE! I will never question the inefficiency of the Leviathan state again. From this point forward I will be a faithful nationalist, or I could take a shot of reality and realize that government is an inherently flawed and corrupt institution. Therefore, my faith would be a little ill-placed. Oh, and btw; since when did not liking the Federal Government of the United States = Not like the United States? Someone let me know when nationalism became the norm.

Since you're so quick to bring up revolution try to remember how this country was created (revolution), for whom it was created (individuals not government), and under which principles it was created(liberty). What was encroaching on the liberties & freedoms of the individual colonist of the United States of America? Don't think about that to long, also; when you use the word "statistics" don't assume what happens in your state or like-minded states on a daily basis is a norm. Remember: this is the United STATES of America. Each STATE's case should be looked at individually. Classic example: New York vs. Gerogia. Who has more gun-related crime. Who is more lax.

Did you know that DC has the lowest (iirc) gun ownership level in the US and the most gun-related homicides? Why do you believe shootouts will happen in the streets? What fantasy world do you live in where the police arrive before shots are fired, where criminals have nothing to do with crimes (paradox), where people start killing one another in the streets because it's so glorious and GTA4 irl is awesome? Seriously. Take your head of out the government's bankrupt bosom and think for yourself. Government is not the alpha and omega.

Owned.

[John_Doe]

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lol Had to post this. wkuk FTW.

[cpinney]

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mu ... er-100-000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ushom ... weapon.svg

[Reise]

We should ban cars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... S._by_year

If open carry is legal in their state, technically they aren't breaking any laws.

We do live in America you know.

Also, LOL @ the Brady Campaign fool and his alarmist quotes.

[John_Doe]

We should ban cars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... S._by_year

If open carry is legal in their state, technically they aren't breaking any laws.

We do live in America you know.

Also, LOL @ the Brady Campaign fool and his alarmist quotes.

+1 Car related and Wrong prescription/medical relate deaths contribute way more to our annual deathtoll way more then gun volence/accidents. Smoking and 2nd smoke kills way more people then guns, yet there legal and there isn't even an admenment for them.

[Stephanus]

Just a misc. info to this topic.

Crimes related to crack... you should debate this too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_cocaine
Just ask yourself what will do a crack addict if he/she runs out of juice?
Hm?
I guess, anything he/she can to get his/her daily dose.

You should make an addiction map and see the crime rates in different states.

[Elements]

Americans are retarded lol