would you consider this racist?

[AutumnLeaves]

Anything you do can be considered racist in this day and age, you can't even say black person, no it has to be African American else your a racist.

[_Equal_]

Yes, the question was really "is it racist?" That's another issue entirely as "racist" isn't really the proper term. We're all one race. "colorist" just doesn't cut it.

So, are people just being jerks or are they "racist" by flying this flag? Is it really their intent to generalize or minimize an entire group of people with different skin color? From what I see, that's what most people against flying the flag are bordering on...generalizing.

The flag implies racism. No one ever said that the flag itself had to represent racism. And no, your wrong. Racism isn't just "another issue". Stop trying to avoid it because racism is the whole point of this!! Your surprised that people are angry about this because of racism? Are you serious? Or do you not know what kind of connotations the CSA flag holds? If you can't understand that then what is your point?

Morality - in my own personal opinion - is always black and white.

And thats exactly why your wrong. You think its only racist if a person says the N word or does a hate crime. Your wrong. You think that "oh as long as it isn't directly racist, people shouldn't accuse me as one". There are a million different ways to show and imply that you are racist. It doesn't matter if you intend to show that your racist. It definitely is racist and therefore immoral. Beyond the argument about the law and beyond freedom of expression, etc. if we decide on a moral level, you are definitely wrong. If you still think you do nothing wrong by flying the flag...well then thats a fundamental human thing that your parents should have been responsible teaching you.

wtf? Prok is like, the furthest thing from a racist. He's a little conservative, mebbe. Although I'll be damned if I can understand sometimes what he's trying to say.

LMAO! Damn flags, implying racism! what's the world comin' to!

Y'all are just not seeing things through other people's eyes, which I think is the point, mebbe not his.

And hey, morality is kinda decided by society, eh?

[Jstar1]

^See this is what I was worried about. People accusing me of saying that Prok is racist. I never said he was. I wrote that by flying the flag your implying that your racist. Theres a difference ok?

And you think its only a flag, a decal, piece of paper, etc. That flag holds about 150 years of pain. You think its ridiculous that people like me or others get angry about "oh its only a flag" but its not ridiculous because its offensive. Maybe if you were a minority you would realize that.

[AutumnLeaves]

Maybe if you were a minority you would realize that.

Ppht, yea because minorities have it SOOOOOO bad in America.

[_Equal_]

^See this is what I was worried about. People accusing me of saying that Prok is racist. I never said he was. I wrote that by flying the flag your implying that your racist. Theres a difference ok?

And you think its only a flag, a decal, piece of paper, etc. That flag holds about 150 years of pain. You think its ridiculous that people like me or others get angry about "oh its only a flag" but its not ridiculous because its offensive. Maybe if you were a minority you would realize that.

Inuit here. You?

Yeah, I stay out of this kinda shit usually, but in my mind, the people are being racist.

[Goobronicus]

Just gonna leave this here, stop me if you've heard this before.

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[XemnasXD]

Fine you're right. People can be dicks. Is that your point. We already know that. People can still fly that flag can't they, regardless of how many people it offends. The argument was whether it was offensive or it. Yes it is to a large group of people. Can you fly and should you fly it are two different questions. You have every right to, thats not up for debate, but should you, that is a matter of personal opinion and if you should choose to fly it you should realize that you are alienating yourself and offending a group of people because that flag represents nothing good to them regardless of its "positive" history which i can't even fathom.

My apologies. I'm not trying to start something different, I got a little sidetracked from the main issue.

Yes, the question was really "is it racist?" That's another issue entirely as "racist" isn't really the proper term. We're all one race. "colorist" just doesn't cut it.

So, are people just being jerks or are they "racist" by flying this flag? Is it really their intent to generalize or minimize an entire group of people with different skin color? From what I see, that's what most people against flying the flag are bordering on...generalizing.

I've yet to meet anyone who flies that flag and knows that its the Confederate Naval Flag, they have all said its the Confederate Flag, some of them gave some bull about history, some of them were just redneck assholes. Its not about the people who are flying the flag, its about the flag itself. If you want to get completely technical than yes, to say that everyone who flies that flag is racist or dumb or a redneck piece of shit is generalizing but it would be naive to think that most of the people who fly that flag are anything but. If i see a white guy with a swastika tattooed onto his body im not going to send my jewish friend over to him so he can borrow a cup of sugar. The same thing applies, if someone is going to tattoo that symbol onto their body im not going to think "oh, he's just expressing his heritage, let me go say hi" that would be dumb and in certain states would probably get the shit kicked out of me. Granted not all of them are like that and someone of them see it as more symbol of the south than a symbol of oppression but it should be very very obvious that that flag would be offensive to black people. By and large the south hasn't changed that much over the years and that flag represents the zeal of the southern states and their will to maintain their domination and superiority over my ancestors.

[AutumnLeaves]

I've yet to meet anyone who flies that flag and knows that its the Confederate Naval Flag, they have all said its the Confederate Flag, some of them gave some bull about history, some of them were just redneck assholes. Its not about the people who are flying the flag, its about the flag itself. If you want to get completely technical than yes, to say that everyone who flies that flag is racist or dumb or a redneck piece of shit is generalizing but it would be naive to think that most of the people who fly that flag are anything but. If i see a white guy with a swastika tattooed onto his body im not going to send my jewish friend over to him so he can borrow a cup of sugar. The same thing applies, if someone is going to tattoo that symbol onto their body im not going to think "oh, he's just expressing his heritage, let me go say hi" that would be dumb and in certain states would probably get the shit kicked out of me. Granted not all of them are like that and someone of them see it as more symbol of the south than a symbol of oppression but it should be very very obvious that that flag would be offensive to black people. By and large the south hasn't changed that much over the years and that flag represents the zeal of the southern states and their will to maintain their domination and superiority over my ancestors.

I'll admit this makes a lot of sense, but just know that not all(just an overwhelming percentage) of the people with a Confederate flag are racists.

[Reise]

Well. People don't fly the swastika anymore because of what it was used to represent. It's the same with this flag. Sure it's harmless or even meaningful on its own, but what it represents is what people have a problem with. TBH there are better ways to remember and honor your family, and using the southern cross isn't one of them. You might as well remember your german grandfathers who fought in WWII by displaying the swastika.

Luckily for me, my family wasn't in the US until the early 1900s. I get to dodge most Civil War controversy.

[JuelzSantana]

anyway people down south are generally uneducated, and people up north are far more superior..

Same attitude, wrong team. Idiot.

lol relax, in new york if you asked them which state is smarter, new york or alabama, new york or louisiana, new york or south carolina, i could go on for days.. the fact is the north is superior.. thats a fact, not an idea.

not to mention are you even from america? if not i really dont wanna hear it lol.

and about this whole flag being racist.. the nazi symbol was originally 卍 or まんじ　or manji as we call it in japanese. its the symbol for temples in japan. no i am not japanese but i can speak it pretty well..

the confederate flag represents ignorance. and anyone that decides its cool to fly it is umm well ignorant.. my family is from egypt/haiti. that doesnt mean i have to go around making hieroglyphic graffiti or wear a mini pyramid on my neck that says "thanks for the help jews, oh yea no racial".. like come on people.. the flag itself cant possibly be racist its a flag, but it does play a part in representing racism in america. the flag is used in the kkk, i mean why the hell would they pick this flag out of all flags? its used as a scare tactic against black people.

like seriously everyone open your eyes.

[GrindingEternaly]

anyway people down south are generally uneducated, and people up north are far more superior..

Same attitude, wrong team. Idiot.

lol relax, in new york if you asked them which state is smarter, new york or alabama, new york or louisiana, new york or south carolina, i could go on for days.. the fact is the north is superior.. thats a fact, not an idea.

not to mention are you even from america? if not i really dont wanna hear it lol.

and about this whole flag being racist.. the nazi symbol was originally 卍 or まんじ　or manji as we call it in japanese. its the symbol for temples in japan. no i am not japanese but i can speak it pretty well..

the confederate flag represents ignorance. and anyone that decides its cool to fly it is umm well ignorant.. my family is from egypt/haiti. that doesnt mean i have to go around making hieroglyphic graffiti or wear a mini pyramid on my neck that says "thanks for the help jews, oh yea no racial".. like come on people.. the flag itself cant possibly be racist its a flag, but it does play a part in representing racism in america. the flag is used in the kkk, i mean why the hell would they pick this flag out of all flags? its used as a scare tactic against black people.

like seriously everyone open your eyes.

Intelligence shouldn't be dragged into this argument because if you want the argue New York as a smart place your going to get raped. Sounds like your arguing that the south display these racist ideologies in the CSA flag because they are stupid compared to you genius New Yorkers.

Now watch me use your brain dead ideas. The Nazi-Germany flag can be seen as highly racist right? Now the Germans are known for their intelligence and ingenuity. So your saying that only a stupid population is capable of ignorant racism. Whats the exception with Nazi-Germany. Your surely can't argue that they were dumb. Idiots like you give the American population a bad name.

The flag is only racist when its flown in racial hatred. When its flown in remembrance it shouldn't be criticized as racism otherwise no flags bar American flags should be allowed in the US of A.

[MonstaH]

Well. People don't fly the swastika anymore because of what it was used to represent. It's the same with this flag. Sure it's harmless or even meaningful on its own, but what it represents is what people have a problem with. TBH there are better ways to remember and honor your family, and using the southern cross isn't one of them. You might as well remember your german grandfathers who fought in WWII by displaying the swastika.

Luckily for me, my family wasn't in the US until the early 1900s. I get to dodge most Civil War controversy.

Which would get you right into jail in Germany

It's weird how even inner-USA topics don't go anywhere without the Nazi references (general statement).

[Sharp324]

Ah, screw it...would be like talking to a brickwall.

[Jstar1]

people won't ever get that flying the confederate flag is offensive even if they don't intend it to be.

[JuelzSantana]

Intelligence shouldn't be dragged into this argument because if you want the argue New York as a smart place your going to get raped. Sounds like your arguing that the south display these racist ideologies in the CSA flag because they are stupid compared to you genius New Yorkers.

Now watch me use your brain dead ideas. The Nazi-Germany flag can be seen as highly racist right? Now the Germans are known for their intelligence and ingenuity. So your saying that only a stupid population is capable of ignorant racism. Whats the exception with Nazi-Germany. Your surely can't argue that they were dumb. Idiots like you give the American population a bad name.

The flag is only racist when its flown in racial hatred. When its flown in remembrance it shouldn't be criticized as racism otherwise no flags bar American flags should be allowed in the US of A.

correct me if im wrong but i only cleared up the origin of the swastika.. i know german people are intelligent and also correct me if im wrong but germany didnt turn into nazi germany because everyone hated jewish people. the south turned into confederate states of america because they did not want to free slaves because cotton was their #1 money maker. having a slave isnt racist in my opinion because in other parts of the world there have been countless documents stating people had slaves of the same race as them. BUT after the civil war, the same people that wanted to keep slaves, formed groups like kkk, took part in killing black people, and took part in making laws for black people only (i.e. jim crow laws and shit like that). the nazi flag wasn't flown by nazi germany just for racial hatred.. granted hitler was a bit nuts but he wanted his country to be #1. the confederate flag is a sign of racial tension.. and its backwards for you to live in america and still fly a flag of a dead nation. its retarded, and anyone who claims remembrance is retarded because the people that died for that flag.. you dont know them, and your parents probably dont know them, so what the hell are you remembering? you think your great great great grandkids are going to remember you because you died for something and died in vain because you LOST. people only remember winners, not losers for a retarded cause. so if you think that flying a flag that once somehow stood for racism(not only racism but other things as well obviously) in remembrance of your ancestors then you're retarded. because you're only praising the hatred that they stood for in the world.

[GrindingEternaly]

Ah, screw it...would be like talking to a brickwall.

+1

[AutumnLeaves]

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/07/State ... _Con.shtml
Thats just interesting.

[nohunta]

Hell yea i find that racist.



Ima going to get that tatted on my arm, fly it on my house, put on the back of my f150, and all my shirts will have it on the sleeve.

Let me ask you, what would you think? Maybe my grandpa was a nazi and he died in the WW2 fighing for germany. Let me ask you how would you feel?


@ The video of racist family... Made me Farking luls. I feel terrible for those kids man, they are gonna grow up knowing nothing but hatred/sterotypes of other races/religons. They will have a tough Farking life and they had no choice in it. Lets be honest kids are the easiest to manipulate and will do as there parents do because it actually makes sense. They dont think about the negatives of it. But seriously tho "I dont like black people they need to go back to where they came from" I laughed my Farking ass off. FYI, no one is a native from North America the continent, EVERYONE originates from africa. Hell even native americans are came from asia, they found out that everyone in Central America has ties to like 9 ladys in china.

[JuelzSantana]

Hell yea i find that racist.



Ima going to get that tatted on my arm, fly it on my house, put on the back of my f150, and all my shirts will have it on the sleeve.

Let me ask you, what would you think? Maybe my grandpa was a nazi and he died in the WW2 fighing for germany. Let me ask you how would you feel?


@ The video of racist family... Made me Farking luls. I feel terrible for those kids man, they are gonna grow up knowing nothing but hatred/sterotypes of other races/religons. They will have a tough Farking life and they had no choice in it. Lets be honest kids are the easiest to manipulate and will do as there parents do because it actually makes sense. They dont think about the negatives of it. But seriously tho "I dont like black people they need to go back to where they came from" I laughed my Farking ass off. FYI, no one is a native from North America the continent, EVERYONE originates from africa. Hell even native americans are came from asia, they found out that everyone in Central America has ties to like 9 ladys in china.

well the swastika itself is used in other cultures (like japan) as i explained before and it has religious no racist meanings.. 卍 or まんじ or manji is the symbol for temples on the map. but as u can see the swastika is backwards..

[Reise]

A swastika is a swastika no matter which way it's facing. I don't understand how people think it's different or that it has only been represented that way on the Nazi Party's flag.

Other cultures use it, sure, but that doesn't mean the stigma is going to just disappear.

[PhoenixRider]

A swastika is a symbol for peace. The confederate flag is a symbol for the southern culture.

A culture that embraced slavery. Of course the past is the past and I don't care much for racism. Any southerner has the right to use the flag. We cannot deny their culture because of an old belief. That's my opinion.

[JuelzSantana]

A swastika is a swastika no matter which way it's facing. I don't understand how people think it's different or that it has only been represented that way on the Nazi Party's flag.

Other cultures use it, sure, but that doesn't mean the stigma is going to just disappear.

well in japanese we dont call it a swastika lol we call it manji and it is a symbol for peace just like the post above this said >.>

[nohunta]

A swastika is a symbol for peace. The confederate flag is a symbol for the southern culture.

A culture that embraced slavery. Of course the past is the past and I don't care much for racism. Any southerner has the right to use the flag. We cannot deny their culture because of an old belief. That's my opinion.

They also have the right to hang black people, burn crosses, and chant racial slurs :O. Doesnt make it right tho.

[PhoenixRider]

A swastika is a symbol for peace. The confederate flag is a symbol for the southern culture.

A culture that embraced slavery. Of course the past is the past and I don't care much for racism. Any southerner has the right to use the flag. We cannot deny their culture because of an old belief. That's my opinion.

They also have the right to hang black people, burn crosses, and chant racial slurs :O. Doesnt make it right tho.

Of course it doesn't. The belief is as questionable as their history. But what's done is done, they lost the war and are now on the bottom of the food chain.

Of course I may be saying this because none of my ancestors were enslaved and my parents came straight out of Africa, but this is my view as a 3rd party.

[leehyori26]

Well, i wouldnt consider this entirely racist. Yes it implies hatred, BUT my NJROTC instructor has his truck covered with Sons of COnfederate Fathers stickers and the flag, and no he is not racist nor will he ever be. He is just honoring his ancestors who died for what THEY believed in, cause believe it or not they were people and had their own values and beliefs whether anyone likes it or not. If you believed in something wouldn't you fight for it as well?

About the obama stuff, i personally dont like him but i respect him. The flag does not imply ANY hatred towards him specifically.

Anywho, you guys can believe whatever you want to. I can not and will not tell you what to believe or how to take something. But in this day and age people take things way to farking personally and sometimes you may just have to DEAL with it.

Oh and Juelz, that is very stereotypical(<----typo?) of you. I know some incredibly smart people here being as i have lived in the south a majority of my life. Just because a group of people are stupid are idiotic it doesnt mean you comdemn the whole southern region stupid and northern smart. Its just as idiotic imo

Time to go to bed

[JuelzSantana]

Well, i wouldnt consider this entirely racist. Yes it implies hatred, BUT my NJROTC instructor has his truck covered with Sons of COnfederate Fathers stickers and the flag, and no he is not racist nor will he ever be. He is just honoring his ancestors who died for what THEY believed in, cause believe it or not they were people and had their own values and beliefs whether anyone likes it or not. If you believed in something wouldn't you fight for it as well?

About the obama stuff, i personally dont like him but i respect him. The flag does not imply ANY hatred towards him specifically.

Anywho, you guys can believe whatever you want to. I can not and will not tell you what to believe or how to take something. But in this day and age people take things way to farking personally and sometimes you may just have to DEAL with it.

Oh and Juelz, that is very stereotypical(<----typo?) of you. I know some incredibly smart people here being as i have lived in the south a majority of my life. Just because a group of people are stupid are idiotic it doesnt mean you comdemn the whole southern region stupid and northern smart. Its just as idiotic imo

Time to go to bed

i wouldnt doubt you have smart people but numbers dont lie lol. studies have shown southern states do substantially lower than northern states in academic achievement. stereotypical? maybe, but maybe u should google those studies up before you accuse me of talking out of my ass

[leehyori26]

Just because you have smart people it makes you superior? OH I C . Personally i have seen those studies and i could give a rats ass about them because
1. just because your smarter than someone it doesnt make you superior
2. I've seen some smart people who go some where in the beginning but end up nowhere because they think they are so smart they can barely try and to well (which is major ignorance).
3.I never implied anywhere you were speaking out of your ass i was simply saying that just because theres something written on paper about one group doing better than another it doesnt mean they will be superior in the end

[Amarisa]

Just because you have smart people it makes you superior? OH I C . Personally i have seen those studies and i could give a rats ass about them because
1. just because your smarter than someone it doesnt make you superior
2. I've seen some smart people who go some where in the beginning but end up nowhere because they think they are so smart they can barely try and to well (which is major ignorance).
3.I never implied anywhere you were speaking out of your ass i was simply saying that just because theres something written on paper about one group doing better than another it doesnt mean they will be superior in the end

its about common sense not smartness. i have seen the smartest people in school (like the know it alls) just fail in life because they lacked common sense.

[JuelzSantana]

Just because you have smart people it makes you superior? OH I C . Personally i have seen those studies and i could give a rats ass about them because
1. just because your smarter than someone it doesnt make you superior
2. I've seen some smart people who go some where in the beginning but end up nowhere because they think they are so smart they can barely try and to well (which is major ignorance).
3.I never implied anywhere you were speaking out of your ass i was simply saying that just because theres something written on paper about one group doing better than another it doesnt mean they will be superior in the end

1. just because you're smarter does mean you are superior. in intelligence.
2. i agree
3. i said multiple studies lol not 1. i agree with u that some studies are complete bull like video games make u more aggressive or somethin. but when there are 100's of studies and polling and all that stuff on south vs north. and its yearly stuff.. no argument ><

[Barotix]

Intelligence wise N>S, but what about E vs W? :O