[NEWS] man under investigation for self defence

[Snoopy]

Here in the Netherlands I can walk around without having to worry about people carrying a gun around. Feels good man.

Same. It does feel good

when a bad guy gets his hands on a gun, you two can just take off your pants and bend over

Yeah... okay. Are you speaking from experience?

[Bop]

We're taking your shit and if you don't like it we will kill you. My way of responding is to kill them first.

gl trying to prove they have an intent to kill when u knocked their domes off

most of these petty crimes don't have ppl behind the trigger who have intent to kill


self defense doesn't legally entitle u to take another's life...i could find a local case which lead to the owner of the car being locked up because he point blank shot the guy trying to rob him...but i prob wont find it through google...beh

[user]

i could find a local case which lead to the owner of the car being locked up because he point blank shot the guy trying to rob him

was he being robbed at gun point, this store owner was

if he was getting robbed at gun point AND still get sentenced to jail, its time to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants

[Bop]

i could find a local case which lead to the owner of the car being locked up because he point blank shot the guy trying to rob him

was he being robbed at gun point, this store owner was

if he was getting robbed at gun point AND still get sentenced to jail, its time to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants

i dont remember...i was listening to the news in the background while doing something else...

ot: a gun is a deadly weapon as much as a knife is...legally

[.curve]

i could find a local case which lead to the owner of the car being locked up because he point blank shot the guy trying to rob him

was he being robbed at gun point, this store owner was

if he was getting robbed at gun point AND still get sentenced to jail, its time to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants

i dont remember...i was listening to the news in the background while doing something else...

ot: a gun is a deadly weapon as much as a knife is...legally

I've dealt with knives before and I can honestly say that if the guy had a gun and not a knife, I'd be running scared shitless.

[Snoopy]

Knives are far easier to defend yourself from than a gun.

Knives, you must within "x" amount of meters of someone in order for them to stab you with a knife. Unless they're champion knife thrower.

A gun has the ability to shoot over distance and kill instantly if in the right spot. So too a knife though it is harder.

[user]

Yeah... okay. Are you speaking from experience?

well, ur mom told me, does it count as personal experience?

[Snoopy]

Yeah... okay. Are you speaking from experience?

well, ur mom told me, does it count as personal experience?

Whoa, you know you're short on things to say when you feel the need to bring someones parents into this.

It doesn't count as personal experience though, because you claim it hasn't happened to you. I'm pretty sure you've got them down right now.

[.curve]

Yeah... okay. Are you speaking from experience?

well, ur mom told me, does it count as personal experience?

Holy shit, a mom joke. What, are we back in fcking 3rd grade? Grow up kid.

[Reise]

gl trying to prove they have an intent to kill when u knocked their domes off

most of these petty crimes don't have ppl behind the trigger who have intent to kill

self defense doesn't legally entitle u to take another's life.

A lot of times it does.

I don't care what their intent is. If they're breaking into my house/store/whatever with a gun, in my eyes they're prepared to use it. Just as I'm prepared to defend myself. Many times you don't even have to shoot, but look what happened when the store owner did, each and every one of them ran off with their tails between their legs. His stuff is still there, and the cops likely showed up 10 minutes later to collect incident reports and berate the guy for not calling them first.

It's a choice of whether you want to be helpless, or responsible for your own safety.

[Toshiharu]

I'm with Reise on this. I'm prepared to defend myself.

@dopex Taking a life may not be the 'right' thing to do, but someone breaking in and taking your shit right? No. Yeah two wrongs don't make it right, but it does prove a point. Get the **** out. I dunno about you and how much you care about your shit or your life, but I care about it.

If I owned a store and people came in with gun(s).. it's go time. Just sadly my grand father didn't have the chance to defend himself. Just rushed, shot, grabbed, and left. I didn't ask my father too much(Happened a couple months before I was born and named after him), because it makes him.. yeah. =/

You know what happened afterwards? Police comes by and does NOTHING. Typical file a report and that's it. How the hell are you supposed to be a good suspect?

<Man I wrote this post horribly lol>

[chickenfeather]

Sounds like the netherlands is a good place to rob since it's full of defenseless sheep. Kudos to the store owner.

[Wu]

Sounds like the netherlands is a good place to rob since it's full of defenseless sheep. Kudos to the store owner.

lol.

You do realize that like, 90% of all the countries in the world have about the same amount of guns the Netherlands has?

Crime Statistics > Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country

# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
# 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
# 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
# 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
# 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
# 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Look at how the US is one of the few 'rich' countries in that list, together with Finland (which also has guns legalized).

I'm not trying to draw a full connection here since many other factors are involved, but this just cought my eye.

And lol @ 'defenseless sheep'. At least we don't have to be all stuck up with that 'defend mah property or Ima kill you' mentality. We let the Police do their work.
If someone tries to rob me I'll give them a knuckle sandwich maybe, but it will never cross my mind to kill them.

You Americans are so, like, obsessed by that take the law in your own hand state of mind.

Note that I reply this to the people that say they will actually kill robbers, this is not directed at the jewelry store owner.

[Reise]

Owning a gun doesn't make you "obsessed with taking the law into your own hands".

You should be looking at that list of countries and drawing the conclusion that countries without rights to own guns tend to have more crime overall. The UK's crime rate actually went up since banning firearms completely. Criminals have said it themselves that an unarmed person is a much larger target than someone they think could be armed.

Maybe the Netherlands has super police that arrive in seconds to deal with whatever problem you might have, but in the US they can take upwards of 10-15 minutes from your call. Plenty of time for who ever is there to cause damage. Exercising a right to own a gun and use it to defend yourself if you need to is a far cry from being obsessed with the notion. You might not have to be "stuck up" with the ability to defend yourself, but I think you really should be. And NO you don't need to absolutely kill them to accomplish that.

[Toshiharu]

but in the US they can take upwards of 10-15 minutes from your call.

I live less than a minute driving time from a police station and a fire department. Used to have some problems before and you know how long it usually took? Typically a half hour later. Honestly.. wtf?

[Snoopy]

I'm with Reise on this. I'm prepared to defend myself.

@dopex Taking a life may not be the 'right' thing to do, but someone breaking in and taking your shit right? No. Yeah two wrongs don't make it right, but it does prove a point. Get the **** out. I dunno about you and how much you care about your shit or your life, but I care about it.

If I owned a store and people came in with gun(s).. it's go time. Just sadly my grand father didn't have the chance to defend himself. Just rushed, shot, grabbed, and left. I didn't ask my father too much(Happened a couple months before I was born and named after him), because it makes him.. yeah. =/

You know what happened afterwards? Police comes by and does NOTHING. Typical file a report and that's it. How the hell are you supposed to be a good suspect?

<Man I wrote this post horribly lol>

Seems to be the common mentality of a lot of people in USA. Where as other countries do just fine without feeling the need to defend themselves, their family or their possessions with a firearm. It doesn't mean you don't care about your life at all.

[Reise]

No Snoopy, they don't do "just fine" they end up getting their shit lost or destroyed by people breaking in, and have to rely on the police to try and find out where it went. And what are you going to do in the off chance someone decides they don't want you on this earth anymore and ends up shooting at/killing your family in the process? Sit there with the phone in your hands while you beg the police to show up, right?

It blows my mind that people can't understand the benefits of having a gun to defend yourself with.

[Snoopy]

No Snoopy, they don't do "just fine" they end up getting their shit lost or destroyed by people breaking in, and have to rely on the police to try and find out where it went. And what are you going to do in the off chance someone decides they don't want you on this earth anymore and ends up shooting at/killing your family in the process? Sit there with the phone in your hands while you beg the police to show up, right?

It blows my mind that people can't understand the benefits of having a gun to defend yourself with.

Ok. Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of the advantages of being able to own a gun. Though with my being able to own a gun, other people are legally entitled to a gun. With that said, it makes the whole getting a gun process a lot easier than it does here meaning crime rates could easily escalate due to the ease which it that comes with buying the gun.

If someone was robbing my house, while I wasn't here there isn't much I could do. If someone did it while I was here, I would go after them with my knife or cricket bat. If I had a gun, I'm sure I'd go after them with one. Except... to have a gun here it must be stowed away in a safe. Making the robbery prevention harder yet again.

I've never been robbed. My house has burglar alarm, crime safe doors and windows etc. I wouldn't say I'm robbery-free but it is somewhat preventable.

[Reise]

Snoopy, criminals don't obey laws. What makes you think that legalizing gun ownership is going to change how much they already carry them?

Home defense weapons are supposed to be easily accessible. You aren't going to trust your life to something kept away in a combination safe. Go at them with a knife? You have more balls than I do, then. Especially when you have no idea if the guy has a gun himself, which he probably does because he's a criminal who doesn't care what laws are in place.

All laws do is affect people who are lawful. Legalizing ownership isn't going to change how many criminals have them, as they would've had them anyway. The "gun getting process" does not exist for them, therefore it only hinders your ability to protect yourself in comparison.

[Snoopy]

I totally understand where you're coming from. It's just that crims get their hands on guns easily enough without them being legalised. You can only imagine the increased crime rate if they were legal and people who wouldn't normal resort to purchasing a gun would do so.

If they WERE legalised, I would have a gun for sure because there's a chance that everyone else has. Right now however, I don't feel the need to have a gun. When I go out I carry a pocket knife with me and that is it. It is better defense than my fists but not as good as a gun.

[Reise]

Well either way, there's no reason to investigate somebody for trying to save his shop.

His actions were completely justified.

[Sharp324]

Maybe the Netherlands has super police that arrive in seconds to deal with whatever problem you might have, but in the US they can take upwards of 10-15 minutes from your call. Plenty of time for who ever is there to cause damage. Exercising a right to own a gun and use it to defend yourself if you need to is a far cry from being obsessed with the notion.

Have to agree with you on that. Here they take forever to respond. SO its nice knowing you can defend yourself, you cant rely that heavily on the police. Yeah wait for them to get there to do their job, your mom and sister could be raped and you killed before they got there. **** that...if anyone has an intent of hurting anyone like that, you defend yourself. Besides if you see people walking into your store with a gun, its likely they will use it. The only thing i can see them charging them for is taking multiple shots when they were running off. The rifle is a strange thing for defense though...always kept a 12ga around for that, loaded with buck. Far as knives go, don't really carry a throwing knife around, just my folder and my TDI knife. Will carry a simple glock when i get old enough. That is if the politicians don't **** it up by then.

[Snoopy]

It's funny though. Because when I was in America, the thought that people even carry guns wasn't playing on my mind. America felt just like here, plus a few million more people So I guess it really is only self defense. Mind you I didn't go into any dodgy 'burbs.

[Toshiharu]

Seems to be the common mentality of a lot of people in USA. Where as other countries do just fine without feeling the need to defend themselves, their family or their possessions with a firearm. It doesn't mean you don't care about your life at all.

Well you gotta keep in mind that crime rates in Europe is typically less than the U.S.(or at least that I think lol) Thus no need of a gun. Is it my fault that my country has crazy lazy people? No. Maybe if they weren't lazy assholes, got a job, and earned their shit I wouldn't need to defend myself with a <insert weapon>.

[Snoopy]

Meh. Your countrymen are basically forced to consume in your own fear.

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[nohunta]

Meh. Your countrymen are basically forced to consume in your own fear.

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I lol at the bias in that vid.

[Reise]

Ugh, do you honestly believe any of that filth Snoopy?

[Snoopy]

Not really. It's somewhat true, except it's a bit over exaggerated. It was more for the laughs

[user]

Meh. Your countrymen are basically forced to consume in your own fear.

didn't that fear saved the Allies from the Axis?

[CrimsonNuker]

I agree with everything with Reise said in this thread.