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[ARTICLE]Long on China, Short on the United States

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Apparently China is doing the opposite of America. Welcome to bizzaro world.
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Of course, China will become the new world super power, it was all predictable. Just like it was prophesied, the United States will fall along with the U.K. just like the Roman Empire did and many other powerful civilizations (Egypt, Persia).

The end is near and it will come.

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People say it like it's a good thing. I'd so much rather USA the world superpower. Except China buys a lot of Australia's exports (Ore, Coal etc). That would mean Australia would have to try make a good relationship with China and possibly form an alliance with them. damnit :(
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actualy china wont become a supper power in history its always been 2nd even when it had a chance to become a supper power. it will always stay second. wait till there resources become low then they will crash just like every other country.
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Lady_Shadows wrote:actualy china wont become a supper power in history its always been 2nd even when it had a chance to become a supper power. it will always stay second. wait till there resources become low then they will crash just like every other country.

The Spanish probably thought the same of the British prior to 1588.

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The only reason anyone cares is because people still view communists as evil.

They just can't observe China's development in a positive light.
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Snoopy wrote:People say it like it's a good thing.


I agree, who the hell wants a communist country to be number one? Even though America has done a lot of bad things in the past, they've done a lot of good too (like the french, we bail their ass TWICE in WWI and WWII and they still think they are the best in the world). I'd hate it if china was number one, they do bad things in africa and put chemical shit in their milk, how much more bad things would they do if they controlled the world?
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Look at it this way, at least then people would have someone else to blame besides the US for all the world's problems.
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Reise wrote:Look at it this way, at least then people would have someone else to blame besides the US for all the world's problems.


Sad part is, people will more than likely still blame the US. The US is like the #1 bashed nation. It's quite annoying really.
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Jstar1 wrote:
Snoopy wrote:People say it like it's a good thing.


I agree, who the hell wants a communist country to be number one? Even though America has done a lot of bad things in the past, they've done a lot of good too (like the french, we bail their ass TWICE in WWI and WWII and they still think they are the best in the world). I'd hate it if china was number one, they do bad things in africa and put chemical shit in their milk, how much more bad things would they do if they controlled the world?


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ThatBluePerson wrote:Of course, China will become the new world super power, it was all predictable. Just like it was prophesied, the United States will fall along with the U.K. just like the Roman Empire did and many other powerful civilizations (Egypt, Persia).

The end is near and it will come.


Thank god, Canada is covered :D.




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idk, I get the vibe that China is Communist in name only. I remember when we we're bailing out [read; nationalizing] companies, I thought to myself; "China is going to be handing out bailouts like water in an aquarium." Jeez, I got that totally backwards. They're privatizing and we're nationalizing. >_>
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CrimsonNuker wrote:
Jstar1 wrote:
Snoopy wrote:People say it like it's a good thing.


I agree, who the hell wants a communist country to be number one? Even though America has done a lot of bad things in the past, they've done a lot of good too (like the french, we bail their ass TWICE in WWI and WWII and they still think they are the best in the world). I'd hate it if china was number one, they do bad things in africa and put chemical shit in their milk, how much more bad things would they do if they controlled the world?


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China has faced many hardships that are unbelieveable, around early 1900s, British came over to China and started the Opium War, and made them open up their ports for fcking Opium that drugged more than half the country. British also making them pay reparations. Then on top of that almost all the European nations tried to take parts of China and China was dominated by western influences that they saw Chinese and people that were nothing. There were I believe 8 countries that took control of parts of China. Japan, being one of them, in WWII, invaded China, took their resources, raped the women, used civilians as target practice, treated the people like shyt. Many Chinese people have been in poverty for so long till now. Ip man (2008) can show you an image of what it was like, but the real thing was alot worse. Many Chinese people couldn't be educated, barely had enough to eat. Communism was the result. 1949 I think.

I can't deny what you said, you made valid points, and are true, but everybody is not perfect, if United States stays number 1 good for them, they need to put more effort into to solving global problems, I hope Obama tries to complete some.

China is not a bad nation, but an extremely strong nation that surprisingly is still here. I don't think China would do bad things but yes there are some Chinese that are bad and only want to profit, but aren't some Americans the same?and aren't there also other nations that probably do this but we don't know, Maybe even worse?

As a Chinese, I still hate how there are Americans that look down on us, taking demeaning jobs, looking as if we are hopeless. But there are Americans that still think Chinese people are good people, becoming friends and help one another.

I will not talk about U.S. and the Iraq War, Bush was president.

Reise.. lol? replace those words and put your country there.

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Jstar1 wrote:
Snoopy wrote:People say it like it's a good thing.


I agree, who the hell wants a communist country to be number one? Even though America has done a lot of bad things in the past, they've done a lot of good too (like the french, we bail their ass TWICE in WWI and WWII and they still think they are the best in the world). I'd hate it if china was number one, they do bad things in africa and put chemical shit in their milk, how much more bad things would they do if they controlled the world?

Attitudes like this are why foreign nations think Americans are retarded.
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Oh that is so predictable, America is on the decline and in 20-50 years China will be where the money is at. One question. If the United States fall who would take it's place. China and the United States are practically the only thing that held up the world economy. You know, China produces, America buys, the twin engines of the world. So if the US falls who will take it's place as the other engine. Hardly any country or continent even spends as much money on foreign products as the US does.
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.Banshee wrote:Oh that is so predictable, America is on the decline and in 20-50 years China will be where the money is at. One question. If the United States fall who would take it's place. China and the United States are practically the only thing that held up the world economy. You know, China produces, America buys, the twin engines of the world. So if the US falls who will take it's place as the other engine. Hardly any country or continent even spends as much money on foreign products as the US does.


With Obama as president he said U.S. will recover,something he said in the speech I was forced to watch at school-_-. However some parts were good.
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America borrows from China to buy what China produces. I think China can stand firm without America. It is America that needs China. It's like a kid that borrows ten USD from his mom to buy gum from his mom. His mom gets the money back anyway. The global economy is a lot more complicated, but I think that drives the point home.
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Lady_Shadows wrote:actualy china wont become a supper power in history its always been 2nd even when it had a chance to become a supper power. it will always stay second. wait till there resources become low then they will crash just like every other country.


I disagree. In my opinion China has always been #1. Empires have risen and fell, China has not. Ancient Egypt, China was there, Ancient Rome, China was there, Byzantium, Mali, Ottoman, Great Zimbabwe, Czechoslovakia, etc; China was there and it still is here.
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aznronin wrote:Reise.. lol? replace those words and put your country there.


I would but I'm not a blind nationalist.
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.Banshee wrote:
Lady_Shadows wrote:actualy china wont become a supper power in history its always been 2nd even when it had a chance to become a supper power. it will always stay second. wait till there resources become low then they will crash just like every other country.


I disagree. In my opinion China has always been #1. Empires have risen and fell, China has not. Ancient Egypt, China was there, Ancient Rome, China was there, Byzantium, Mali, Ottoman, Great Zimbabwe, Czechoslovakia, etc; China was there and it still is here.

Moroccan almohades that took over half spain in 800 to :wink:

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.Banshee wrote:
Lady_Shadows wrote:actualy china wont become a supper power in history its always been 2nd even when it had a chance to become a supper power. it will always stay second. wait till there resources become low then they will crash just like every other country.


I disagree. In my opinion China has always been #1. Empires have risen and fell, China has not. Ancient Egypt, China was there, Ancient Rome, China was there, Byzantium, Mali, Ottoman, Great Zimbabwe, Czechoslovakia, etc; China was there and it still is here.


You said it yourself, it has been around for thousands of years and has never quite risen to the top to have anything to lose. After these thousands of years look where is it on the economy list... 6th.

America on the other hand which became an independent state on July 4th 1776 (Don't know if this is real). Anyway, within those 200 years of being an independent state has never looked back. They have the strongest Military, Economy and just about every other thing there is to be greatest at. Sure, sometimes people think they're better at governing the world than they are at governing their own country. That's life.
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aznronin wrote:...I don't think China would do bad things...


I hope your joking.
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X-Lax wrote:
aznronin wrote:...I don't think China would do bad things...


I hope your joking.


hmm.. no wonder I get 80s in english... actually that meant in like cases of high seriousness like epic bad

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aznronin wrote:
X-Lax wrote:
aznronin wrote:...I don't think China would do bad things...


I hope your joking.


hmm.. no wonder I get 80s in english... actually that meant in like cases of high seriousness like epic bad


Look up the Cultural Revolution.
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I thought you ment the future

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X-Lax wrote:Look up the Cultural Revolution.


look up segregation in america

oh wait, they're all in the past?!?!?! OMG.

china is a very, VERY different country than it was in the 60s. the sooner some paranoid retards realize this, the better.
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TOloseGT wrote:
X-Lax wrote:Look up the Cultural Revolution.


look up segregation in america

oh wait, they're all in the past?!?!?! OMG.

china is a very, VERY different country than it was in the 60s. the sooner some paranoid retards realize this, the better.


I agree, China has changed. People still consider communism bad and try use that as a reason to look down on China, though like with the Olympics when they needed room to build the Stadiums etc, they simple just demolished homeless peoples "huts" in order for the area to be made of use. I still can't imagine China as world #1 Superpower.
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China is corporatist. Real Communism died with Russia, and is failing in Cuba. As long a China is willing to use capitalism to move forward we can't continue to refer to them as "Communist." In terms of freedom China could easily be considered a statist nation by an outsider [me, snoopy, jstar, reise, etc], but these economic changes are not Communist, socialist, or even egalitarian. China was the most powerful country in the world between ~400 BC to ~1600 AD, but they deemed the rest of the world to stupid to be colonized [the lulz] so they isolated themselves and got left behind only to be torn apart by European Super Powers, and Japan. The very areas they believed were to stupid to be colonized. Ironic. Now the middle kingdom wants it's throne back; maybe this time the rest of the world isn't "to stupid to be taken over."
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china is communist but in different way russia is still communist if they were capitalist then why US hate russia?

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