Dubai

[emperor3000]

lol at the beach houses, watch out for high tide


but still, if i live in there, i would swim in the beach all day everyday

[Grimjaw]

There are so many wrongs in Dubai it's not even funny anymore. So here's a picture to summon most of it up.

[Jstar1]

the only reason why dubai is so rich is because it ran out of oil. Yes it makes perfect sense, im not kidding.

islam just fcked up the middle east, if it wasnt for their oil, their living conditions would be comparable to africa right now.

[Barotix]

the only reason why dubai is so rich is because it ran out of oil. Yes it makes perfect sense, im not kidding.

islam just fcked up the middle east, if it wasnt for their oil, their living conditions would be comparable to africa right now.

Fail. Islam made the Middle east one of the most advanced areas of the world. Islam helped bring Europe out of the Dark ages through by keeping records of Greek Teachings. Islam spread its knowledge of architecture, science, and mathematics to other regions Islam. What destroyed The middle east was Extremism, something that can be found in any religion. What destroyed Africa? Colonialism, but African countries will bounce back eventually. As for the middle east, well the rise of Islamic Dogma (which started in Egypt, as Dogma was said to be rejected before the revolution). Students went from Europe to the middle east to learn. The Middle east was a center for Science and Culture. Now, well what we have today is the result of western intervention and extremism.

Just clarifying.

[TOloseGT]

barotix knows his history =]

[Dystopia]

the only reason why dubai is so rich is because it ran out of oil. Yes it makes perfect sense, im not kidding.

islam just fcked up the middle east, if it wasnt for their oil, their living conditions would be comparable to africa right now.

Woah, watch that the fuck you say, you don't see anyone here bashing any type of religion or any other belief.

[The Mobius]

the only reason why dubai is so rich is because it ran out of oil. Yes it makes perfect sense, im not kidding.

islam just fcked up the middle east, if it wasnt for their oil, their living conditions would be comparable to africa right now.

Fail. Islam made the Middle east one of the most advanced areas of the world. Islam helped bring Europe out of the Dark ages through by keeping records of Greek Teachings. Islam spread its knowledge of architecture, science, and mathematics to other regions Islam. What destroyed The middle east was Extremism, something that can be found in any religion. What destroyed Africa? Colonialism, but African countries will bounce back eventually. As for the middle east, well the rise of Islamic Dogma (which started in Egypt, as Dogma was said to be rejected before the revolution). Students went from Europe to the middle east to learn. The Middle east was a center for Science and Culture. Now, well what we have today is the result of western intervention and extremism.

Just clarifying.

+effing 1

Dude... You.Rock.

Couldn't have said it better myself man.

[hootsh]

the only reason why dubai is so rich is because it ran out of oil. Yes it makes perfect sense, im not kidding.

islam just fcked up the middle east, if it wasnt for their oil, their living conditions would be comparable to africa right now.

Fail. Islam made the Middle east one of the most advanced areas of the world. Islam helped bring Europe out of the Dark ages through by keeping records of Greek Teachings. Islam spread its knowledge of architecture, science, and mathematics to other regions Islam. What destroyed The middle east was Extremism, something that can be found in any religion. What destroyed Africa? Colonialism, but African countries will bounce back eventually. As for the middle east, well the rise of Islamic Dogma (which started in Egypt, as Dogma was said to be rejected before the revolution). Students went from Europe to the middle east to learn. The Middle east was a center for Science and Culture. Now, well what we have today is the result of western intervention and extremism.

Just clarifying.

+effing 1

Dude... You.Rock.

Couldn't have said it better myself man.

+1234124353

Ignorants FTL

Actually if the middle east did follow Islam just like the early muslims..it wouldave been much more better now.

Please, i'm begging you, ignorant people..stfu.

[Reise]

Hoho I'm glad I missed this shitstorm.

As for Dubai, place looks like it will get wrecked by a hurricane eventually.

[Snoopy]

the only reason why dubai is so rich is because it ran out of oil. Yes it makes perfect sense, im not kidding.

islam just fcked up the middle east, if it wasnt for their oil, their living conditions would be comparable to africa right now.

Fail. Islam made the Middle east one of the most advanced areas of the world. Islam helped bring Europe out of the Dark ages through by keeping records of Greek Teachings. Islam spread its knowledge of architecture, science, and mathematics to other regions Islam. What destroyed The middle east was Extremism, something that can be found in any religion. What destroyed Africa? Colonialism, but African countries will bounce back eventually. As for the middle east, well the rise of Islamic Dogma (which started in Egypt, as Dogma was said to be rejected before the revolution). Students went from Europe to the middle east to learn. The Middle east was a center for Science and Culture. Now, well what we have today is the result of western intervention and extremism.

Yeah, power on Middle Eastern architecture!

Every country has their chance to 'shine'.

The Roman Empire, The British, USA... Islam? (tsk)

[XemnasXD]

There are so many wrongs with the world it's not even funny anymore. So here's a picture to summon most of it up.

fix'd for truthiness....

[hootsh]

Yea..sure...a picture of a single building will determine the history of an entire culture..things like this tells a lot about people's IQs.

Besides the way buildings 'looked' doesnt mean anything, for sane people anyway.

And i really dont get it why people are so angry at Islam? I mean its just a religion, what people do is what people do, the religion itself is completely innocent from it.

Do you people realize how stupid you sound?

I mean come on what kind of a sick, narrow minded person will just curse and judge a whole culture and a whole religion like that.

Its like me saying: All the Americans are sick because their civilization was based on killing innocent natives.

[Dystopia]

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&cl ... a=N&tab=wi

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&cl ... a=N&tab=wi

Snoopy, just quit.

[hootsh]

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=7mm&resnum=0&q=islamic%20architecture&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&cl ... a=N&tab=wi

Snoopy, just quit.

No you shouldnt even bother to search for someone like this.

Just post this link, quietly:

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/

[XemnasXD]

don't even bother with the google link. In the face of losing an argument because someone has started post actual knowledge instead of a wiki article, the troll often turns to cheap jokes in an attempt to divert attention away from his poor posting skills and lack of real information. You can counter this by simply stopping the time and taking the opportunity to laugh at his ignorance and then dismiss any further post made the troll in the thread as void.

[Snoopy]

don't even bother with the google link. In the face of losing an argument because someone has started post actual knowledge instead of a wiki article, the troll often turns to cheap jokes in an attempt to divert attention away from his poor posting skills and lack of real information. You can counter this by simply stopping the time and taking the opportunity to laugh at his ignorance and then dismiss any further post made the troll in the thread as void.

I went to google, typed in Islamic Architecture, that was one of the first things that came up. Egypt had mud brick homes & if these countries are so good, why do they not have good standards of living?

[Dystopia]

Now, well what we have today is the result of western intervention and extremism.

[TOloseGT]

some western countries fked up china, damn those bastards! plz dun hurt me

[Jstar1]

the only reason why dubai is so rich is because it ran out of oil. Yes it makes perfect sense, im not kidding.

islam just fcked up the middle east, if it wasnt for their oil, their living conditions would be comparable to africa right now.

Fail. Islam made the Middle east one of the most advanced areas of the world. Islam helped bring Europe out of the Dark ages through by keeping records of Greek Teachings. Islam spread its knowledge of architecture, science, and mathematics to other regions Islam. What destroyed The middle east was Extremism, something that can be found in any religion. What destroyed Africa? Colonialism, but African countries will bounce back eventually. As for the middle east, well the rise of Islamic Dogma (which started in Egypt, as Dogma was said to be rejected before the revolution). Students went from Europe to the middle east to learn. The Middle east was a center for Science and Culture. Now, well what we have today is the result of western intervention and extremism.

Just clarifying.

Islamist extremism is simply a twisted form of islam that calls for dead people and it is what produces osama bin laden and 9/11. Islam produces countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia where their leaders simply control their respective countries using oil.

Its not islam extemism that prevents the middle east from advancing. Does Saudi Arabia or Iran have an extremist policy? No they dont, so why arent they living like Europeans or Americans if islam made the middle east the center of math and science in the 14th century? Its the religion and oil itself that prevents any kind of advancement.

Do you need examples?

Bahrain was the first middle eastern country to run out of oil. And it was the first middle eastern country to develop labor reform and the first middle eastern country to sign a free trade agreement with the United states. And the first to hold a democratic election where women could vote. Bahrain now has the fastest growing economy in the middle east.

And what are Iran and Saudi Arabia, both countries awash with oil, doing now? No reforms and no advancement. And even with the revenue oil gives these countries, traditional islamists in their governments waste that revenue.

Im not saying that islam is stupid or dumb, im simply saying that its influence over middle eastern politics prevents the middle east from improving.

If only other middle eastern countries followed Bahrain`s progressive islam, we wouldn`t have humiliated fools like osama bin laden killing innocent people.

[Barotix]

They have dogmatic policies which can be called extreme in historical circles because the early Muslims rejected dogma as it prevents any scientific, mathematical, or architectural advancements. Dogma is just a mild form of extremism. I lol@the Iran example. As I said, what we have today is the result of western intervention and extremism. In the case of Islam, extremism can be better summed up as Dogma. Islamic Dogma teaches hate of the west of reverence of Allah, before. Before and up to around the 19th century Middle Eastern Countries were better.

I loled hard at you saying oil prevents advancements. Without dogma to prevent research Oil would be the driving Force behind Scientific Research.

They aren't living like Europeans or Americans because Europeans and Americans didn't have to endure having their leaders changed by third parties, Military regimes, or Theocracies. The last two led by; DING, Dogma. You can see this in the US too, take stem cell research. Why is China researching it, while we're squeamish? Dogma.

Bahrain rejected Dogma, Bahrain has always rejected Dogma, and Bahrain still rejects Dogma. Islamic traditionalist? I wouldn't call them traditionalist. Blind works. Correlation between Oil drying up and Bahrain booming doesn't point towards a causation.

The Egyptian Revolution of 1952 is where the real down-fall started. From there Middle Eastern Countries would start spiraling downwards. A combination of effects but the accepted explanation is Western Intervention and Dogma which caused a "Domino effect" bringing disorder to the middle east. Out of the ashes rose shit leaders with shit rules. History is Epic, I love it.

[hootsh]

euhmm...what on Earth gave you the idea that Islam is actually 100% affecting/influencing the ME politics atm?

On the contrary, at the time when Islam was integrated into the whole system thats when the ME became so great.

What destroyed this?
Civil war..etc., simple reasons, just like any other civilization that collapsed.

In other words, ME is less influenced by Islam now than when it was so advanced.

So you shouldnt really blame Islam or anything similar for whats happening to the ME atm you should blame the whole system, and what the rulers are doing.

[The Mobius]

If you take a look back at history, the Middle East was one of the most prosperous, peacefull, modern places of its time when Islam was the main backbone of government.

When Europe was undergoing the 'Dark Ages', Islam was flourishing. I.E you had France and England plauged with diseases, corruption, and death; while Islamic ruled Spain was free from all of that, due to Islamic law regarding cleanliness and huge advancements in medical and scientific research.

Now to sit here and say Islam is the reason middle east countries are screwed up is just ignorant. Because you're basing you're false assumption on a 20-30 year time period where the area has underwent more wars and political issues(due to corrupt governments set in place by superpowers), than any other area in the world; when in reality Islamic form of government flourished peacfully and succesfully for 1400+ years.

[crazyskwrls]

goddam it i was gone for one day and i missed all of this...

@snoopy u dont believe this is happening in the US?

Here is a true story:

A while ago i became friends with a guy who "owns" at a chinese restaurant. He said he came here illegally with his family to look for a better life. For the next 10 year he worked at another buffet. He gets paid but all the money he earned goes to the guy who helped him get to america. He sleeps, eats, and work at the buffet. Now he is "free", he got a deal with "the boss", he will run a new restaurant and the boss can get more illegal workers to work at his restaurant. just think about that, and i am pretty sure illegal immigrants from other countries are not that much different

[Pham]

dubai loooks nice, but they better build this shit quick, so the tourist can fill up their pockets, cuz after the oil runs out, dubai will be poor as shit, that is the only reason they are building new things at dubai, to get money from tourists:D

[Jstar1]

Dogma is just a mild form of extremism.

You obviously dont know what you are talking about. Dogma has two meanings. First, being dogmatic is someone who follows what they think is right and doesnt listen to anyone else. Second, dogma is the belief or set of rules that a religion has. Having a religious dogma doesnt mean you are extremist or biased. Every religion has some sort of dogma that they try to follow as guidelines. You`ve obviously confused yourself with the first definition of dogma, and therefore screwing up your entire post.

On the other hand, extremism is when someone takes a particular religion and twists it into something completely different.

One big reason why the middle east is not improving is because of people who flat out refuse to acknowledge that islam is a major problem. Instead, they blame American "imperialism" and globalization, which leads to hatred and therefore leads to stuff like 9/11.

American occupation of iraq and afghanistan are only part of the problem. Did the middle east live like europeans before America invaded afghanistan in 2001? No, and I already explained why they live so poorly.

And oil is the other major reason why the middle east cannot develop. The middle eastern governments dont need any innovation or reform because they can just get revenue from oil, not new products or new inventions, ok? Bahrain is a great example why its improving and not other countries are so poor. Bahrain is a muslim country, it chose progressive reform because it ran out of revenue from oil. It all fits together like a puzzle and makes sense, ok?

I dont know how to respond to your post. You`ve based your entire argument off of dogma while at the same time not even using the word "dogma" correctly. If your referring to the extremist dogma in extremist islam, Im going to say again that osama bin laden and his extremists are only part of the reason why the middle east is so poor. You dont see terrorists flattening their own buildings.

And please dont start up on me accusing me that islam is the only reason why the middle east is doing so bad. Bush and his iraq invasion is part of it as is osama bin laden too. Saying that islam is the only reason is so ignorant, I dont think anyone could make that kind of argument.

[The Mobius]

Dogma is just a mild form of extremism.

And please dont start up on me accusing me that islam is the only reason why the middle east is doing so bad. Bush and his iraq invasion is part of it as is osama bin laden too. Saying that islam is the only reason is so ignorant, I dont think anyone could make that kind of argument.

You do, however, repeatedly say that Islam is the major problem in the Middle East.

When in fact its not the issue at all.

The issue is the fact that the people’s war-torn culture that is creating most of the war problems in the middle east, not their religion. There are millions of Muslims in China/America/non-wartorn countries that are model citizens and excel peacefully in whatever field they lead while being good practicing muslims. Why? Because they havent grown up experiencing an enviorment thats been bomb-raped by every god damn super power, or hasn't been invaded for strategic purposes (canals/oil/etc).

You see, the variable in the behavior of Muslims world wide is not their religion. Islam is a constant for muslims; rather it is their culture that is the spontatneous variable that shifts how they act.

Islam does not change based on culture. But the way people act is pretty much solely driven by their culture.

Think about it.

[Barotix]

Dogma is just a mild form of extremism.

Blah.

No the second. The set of rules set up by a Religion. *Note: I justified my statement with, "in the case of Islam." Dogma has the same meaning but in the case of Islam, Dogma is extremism. Islam wasn't a dogmatic religion, Then around the mid-20th century it becomes one. Coincidentally around that time, third party Super-Powers started meddling more in the affairs of the middle-east. This triggered wars, Those wars and the dogmatic regimes that followed are what brought down the middle east.

As I said:

Islam rejected Dogmatic Ruling, now it doesn't. The new rules are so extreme. You don't need Dogma to be a religion. Dogma is a form of control. "Pray this way, Like these people, hate these people, do this, do that." Dogma is a relatively new thing for Islam. I blame a change in cultural Ideal, and Massive intervention by Western nations.

Religious Dogma = Stagnation.

[woutR]

oooh goodies, a history debate!!

Time to open wikipedia and act like an expert and look cool

[Dystopia]

@ Jstar, you keep referring to 9/11.

There's no evidence that 9/11 was linked to Muslim extremists, your whole argument is based on common stereotypical predictions, there is a possibility that it was, but there's no solid proof so don't get too worked up.

[Reise]

There's no evidence that 9/11 was linked to Muslim extremists

Wut