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Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:12 pm**

Please write your oppinions but please dont be to mean , im not that good I know but atleast i try and im learning

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:43 am**

its pretty cool, try blending it more and try different kind of background to match the render, 7/10 keep up the good work

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:49 am**

Hey, that's pretty cool. ^^

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:41 am**

Nice

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:11 pm**

i really dont like it sorry

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:50 pm**

i like it for some reason 0o it has an okay flow to it =]

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:13 pm**

Love wrote:i really dont like it sorry

Dont have to say sorry its your not your fault , and thanks for all your opinions

.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:28 pm**

Love wrote:i really dont like it sorry

i've noticed you really don't like a lot of things made by
the artists here. an other thing i've noticed is that you
never give any reason for why you don't like tags. example:

Love wrote:horrible

Love wrote:6/10 here, i do see some potential but not even close yet

Love wrote:just awful sorry

Love wrote:3rd one is not bad rest are pretty plain like they said = /

Love wrote:beautiful

Love wrote:i didnt like it to be honest looks like you did a bunch of stuff without a goal really

Love wrote:no offense intended, shitty sig.

i'm not even talking about you calling stuff "horrible"
when you yourself have a sig like the one you're currently
using. lol. i'm now talking about you saying stuff is
horrible without backing it up with reasons or tips to
make the tags better.

next time you give someone comment, make sure they can do
something with it. and perhaps you could try actually
making sigs yourself to appreciate some of the work people
are trying to do here. because sorry, but yours is awful.

why is yours awful?

no depth
no flow
no light source
smacked on text
some bad quote beneath it

i could probably continue the list but i think i've proven
my point here. and maybe it would be good taking some time
to reply to a topic here. because the pic in my spoiler
makes it look like you're just spamming "horrible" and "i
hated it" to up your post count.

Spoiler!

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:43 pm**

cin wrote:
Love wrote:i really dont like it sorry

i've noticed you really don't like a lot of things made by
the artists here. an other thing i've noticed is that you
never give any reason for why you don't like tags. example:
Love wrote:horrible
Love wrote:6/10 here, i do see some potential but not even close yet
Love wrote:just awful sorry
Love wrote:3rd one is not bad rest are pretty plain like they said = /
Love wrote:beautiful
Love wrote:i didnt like it to be honest looks like you did a bunch of stuff without a goal really
Love wrote:no offense intended, shitty sig.

i'm not even talking about you calling stuff "horrible"
when you yourself have a sig like the one you're currently
using. lol. i'm now talking about you saying stuff is
horrible without backing it up with reasons or tips to
make the tags better.

next time you give someone comment, make sure they can do
something with it. and perhaps you could try actually
making sigs yourself to appreciate some of the work people
are trying to do here. because sorry, but yours is awful.

why is yours awful?
no depth
no flow
no light source
smacked on text
some bad quote beneath it
i could probably continue the list but i think i've proven
my point here. and maybe it would be good taking some time
to reply to a topic here. because the pic in my spoiler
makes it look like you're just spamming "horrible" and "i
hated it" to up your post count.

Spoiler!

Noticed that this morning too...
If you want a higher post count, don't do it with negativity, try to help us with our sigs as cin said.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:12 pm**

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH...somebody spamming in AC?

MAN THE FUCKING HARPOONS.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:22 pm**

Gotta say QFT.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:00 pm**

cin wrote:
Love wrote:i really dont like it sorry

i've noticed you really don't like a lot of things made by
the artists here. an other thing i've noticed is that you
never give any reason for why you don't like tags. example:
Love wrote:horrible
Love wrote:6/10 here, i do see some potential but not even close yet
Love wrote:just awful sorry
Love wrote:3rd one is not bad rest are pretty plain like they said = /
Love wrote:beautiful
Love wrote:i didnt like it to be honest looks like you did a bunch of stuff without a goal really
Love wrote:no offense intended, shitty sig.

i'm not even talking about you calling stuff "horrible"
when you yourself have a sig like the one you're currently
using. lol. i'm now talking about you saying stuff is
horrible without backing it up with reasons or tips to
make the tags better.

next time you give someone comment, make sure they can do
something with it. and perhaps you could try actually
making sigs yourself to appreciate some of the work people
are trying to do here. because sorry, but yours is awful.

why is yours awful?
no depth
no flow
no light source
smacked on text
some bad quote beneath it
i could probably continue the list but i think i've proven
my point here. and maybe it would be good taking some time
to reply to a topic here. because the pic in my spoiler
makes it look like you're just spamming "horrible" and "i
hated it" to up your post count.

Spoiler!

i was took the time this morning to look at some of the sigs wish i never done before and gave some feedback, i dont produce any myself so giving details on why i didnt like them or how they could improve could certainly be out of place and when you are trying to give the many i commented on some detailed feedback it becomes a rather lengthly process wish i am not up

you quoted me on short answers when i said things on the nature of "horrible" in wish case in my opinion it should be pretty obvious is pretty bad and has nothing going on for it, i did give more detailed feedback to many others but is something i wasnt going to do for them all, if i was to create anything and people left comments such as simply good or bad i would appreciate them couse it would tell me the direction my work is going and if you browse many sigs have 1 or 2 comments on them and me saying is beautiful or horrible shows this person they are doing something good or bad couse i am certainly not trolling their threads and being honest with them so they improve

and btw the sig i am using wasnt made by me and you can probably tell is just a face on a white space wish is something that prob took 2 minutes to do

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:09 pm**

^ i hope that post wasn't a defense for you making short comments
like "just awful", because "it becomes a rather lengthly process wish
i am not up" is NOT an excuse.

people in this section do have feelings. you say "horrible" is an
obvious comment. it is, but it's also a type of comment which will
drive people away from this section. or should i say, wish will
drive people away from this section. lol.

srsly, how can someone improve when everyone would post comments
like you do. "that's sh1t.", "that's horrible", "that's just awful",
etc. you really think people will know what to do to make the sigs
better? well yeah, after like 500 tries they will find out what YOU
think looks better, but if you give them a few hints, it might take
em only 150 tries.

and i still think of a troll/spammer when i see like 10 replies in
the last 5 minutes. especially when all those replies are in a topic
that asks for comments&criticism.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:24 pm**

You could not be more off, Love. What you are doing is indeed spam and not criticism leaving posts here differ from the OTL or any other sub forum. For this is art and leaving comments such as "good or "horrible" is not justifiable.

you wrote:i did give more detailed feedback to many others but is something i wasn't going to do for them all, if i was to create anything and people left comments such as simply good or bad i would appreciate them couse it would tell me the direction my work is going and if you browse many sigs have 1 or 2 comments on them and me saying is beautiful or horrible shows this person they are doing something good or bad couse i am certainly not trolling their threads and being honest with them so they improve

If you want to leave a comment you put the same amount of effort in all of them or don't leave one at all. The whole point people as for CnC is for constructive criticism, emphasis on "constructive". Meaning you leave the artist with something they can work with rather then just sitting there looking at a one or two word post thinking " wth?".

There are a lot of people who hang around the AC these days who do nothing but praise or knock sigs which is fine but you need to learn to justify your post and leave the artist with something to work with. A lot of you could benefit from reading this;

The goal in constructive criticism is to critique an individual so they will benefit or improve.

At Steeldolphin Forums we aim to help people here so that they will benefit and improve in their artwork.

Now how do we give constructive criticism without "patting them on the back" for subpar work or give unconstructive and pointless critiques that the person does not take it seriously?

Here are some pointers to constructive criticism.

1. Constructive criticism has to be genuine. A person giving this criticism has to genuinely feel it is important to give it.
2. The person receiving the criticism must have some level of understanding of your role, and understand that you truly want them to improve.
3. Do not use statements like, â€œI want you toâ€¦â€, â€œYou must understandâ€¦â€, â€œYou must see the differenceâ€¦â€, â€œI need you toâ€¦â€. You are immediately setting the stage for the individual to become defensive, especially if there is already a bad history of communication.
4. Take a team approach. In other words, sentences like, â€œLet us look at the followingâ€¦â€, â€œWe can fix this by...â€ By doing this, you have created a collegiate type atmosphere. Both individuals are on the same level. Now you can set the stage to critique, not criticize, and then begin to construct a foundation for improvement.

Constructive criticism takes time and practice. If we want others to accept constructive criticism immediately, that will not happen. Constructive criticism presented in a positive way, as well as open communication, takes practice. Constructive criticism must be used effectively if the receiver is to improve.

A good "template" to a constructive critique.

1. Start off the critique with a postive note about the artwork such as "This is a good start" or "This is nice piece". In all retrospect there is no such thing as bad art, since it is all relative.
2. Give the negative points of the artwork. This should still be done in a postive way. Avoid such words as "bad, horrible, ugly, I don't like, etc". Try using words that pull you into the work such as "This area needs..." or "I believe that this area...". These need to be honest but still nice toward the artist.
3. Give points on how to improve the negative areas you just pointed out. This is very key, if you say an area needs work and leave it at that, the artist will not know how to improve it. We can't read minds so we need to know what it is you are thinking. If all possible give examples bring yourself into their field (see #4 above).
4. Give positive points of the artwork. This is the time to build the artist up. By telling them the things that you like, this will help them realize what areas they are strong in. The negative shows them what areas they are weak in... see the pattern? You need to examine the picture, if you can't find a positive aspect then I suggest to look further or not give a critique.
5. Finally end with a strong postive note. "This is good." "Keep up the good work", "You're coming along nicely" etc.

By thinking about these aspects you can help and artist improve. And build moral after all is said and done.

Another great guide posted by BS

EDIT: whoopsy daisy, got so caught up forgot to type what I was going to say about the sig. xD

It's really nice I like the blue but one thing I've noticed with your sigs is that the renders "pop" a lot try blending them in a bit more. Other then that ace work! ^^

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:47 pm**

thanks Hostage i will try and blend in a bit more

I will make another sig tonight , omg my topic has turned into a spamming thing haha i dont mind its true though what they are saying Love , coz i did want your total opinions about why you didnt like it etc.. But oh well . Keep the comments coming please and tell me how to improve and such

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:50 pm**

cin wrote:^ i hope that post wasn't a defense for you making short comments
like "just awful", because "it becomes a rather lengthly process wish
i am not up" is NOT an excuse.

people in this section do have feelings. you say "horrible" is an
obvious comment. it is, but it's also a type of comment which will
drive people away from this section. or should i say, wish will
drive people away from this section. lol.

srsly, how can someone improve when everyone would post comments
like you do. "that's sh1t.", "that's horrible", "that's just awful",
etc. you really think people will know what to do to make the sigs
better? well yeah, after like 500 tries they will find out what YOU
think looks better, but if you give them a few hints, it might take
em only 150 tries.

and i still think of a troll/spammer when i see like 10 replies in
the last 5 minutes. especially when all those replies are in a topic
that asks for comments&criticism.

which typo thanks for pointing that out and i do type it that way surprisingly often, moving on something as "bad" is a comment and i honestly dont need or am obligated in any way to give any details on why i feel that way but i do see how you can tell me saying things such as "horrible" is not the best i can do.

on the other hand dont assume every1 should or is willing to babysit any thread and will provide detailed feedback on why things are they way they are if you are learning and some1 tells you "not doing great" or "bad" you can go back and improve yourself furthermore til most people start approving your work. if you see 100 comments saying "good" and 1 saying "bad" do realize you are on the right track specially since many have different taste and not every1 will think that what you do is brilliant

also i will repeat myself but i am not familiar with the process of creating sigs but when it comes to drawing i do give effective feedback and tips to beginners. on another note it doesnt take a genius to realize if something looks good or not and very few people here actually ask you to tell them exactly why you think of their stuff, most are open with something like 'hey guys i did this 2 days ago tell me what you think' and even if they were demanding it i would have no obligation to tell them what they want

btw thanks for offending me i being coming to the forums for about 1 year and suddenly i need postcounts, i being looking at sigs lately couse as you bluntly pointed out mine isnt all that great and i was looking into creating a new one myself and a lot of different styles can be found here and since i am looking at them leaving a comment while at it is not out of this world and again i dont think i need to excuse myself for what you think is spam unless people honestly think they are getting nothing from me and ya i do see some connection with the cat sig comment >.< wish ill kindly add some details to .....

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:15 pm**

Love wrote:if you see 100 comments saying "good" and 1 saying "bad" do realize you are on the right track

the avarage sig here gets around 5-10 comments, not 100.
therefore, the quality of the comment is of more importance
than the quantity. i'm not going to argue with you about
any post count matter. i was simply implying that your way
of posting looked like spam. let me quote myself:

cin wrote:because the pic in my spoiler
makes it look like you're just spamming "horrible" and "i
hated it" to up your post count.

and lol at the fact that you think I bluntly pointed out
that your sig is not that great at all. you just found
out how people who read your comments feel.

at least i pointed out exactly what's not good about your sig
instead of saying it's horrible.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:26 pm**

cin wrote:
Love wrote:if you see 100 comments saying "good" and 1 saying "bad" do realize you are on the right track

the avarage sig here gets around 5-10 comments, not 100.
therefore, the quality of the comment is of more importance
than the quantity. i'm not going to argue with you about
any post count matter. i was simply implying that your way
of posting looked like spam. let me quote myself:
cin wrote:because the pic in my spoiler
makes it look like you're just spamming "horrible" and "i
hated it" to up your post count.

and lol at the fact that you think I bluntly pointed out
that your sig is not that great at all. you just found
out how people who read your comments feel.

at least i pointed out exactly what's not good about your sig
instead of saying it's horrible.

oh no i am very self aware of my sig lol and to be honest i really like it and the reason for the *white space* is couse my avatar also has a white background so they match and i wouldnt want it any other way.

also you telling me my sig is not that great is something positive and i wouldnt take it any other way couse is a fact it could be better and your honestly is highly appreciated and if i am making people feel that way i am doing something right

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:33 pm**

Love wrote:also you telling me my sig is not that great is something positive and i wouldnt take it any other way couse is a fact it could be better and your honestly is highly appreciated and if i am making people feel that way i am doing something right

did you even read a word i said.

"if i am making people feel that way i am doing something right"

comments like "just awful" and "horrible" are the type
of comments that drive people away from this section.

we've had this discussion with other members in the past
as well. people have eventually been warned for their
way of criticizing other people's works. i'm just telling
you to work on your criticism. i just stickied a topic
posted by brokensaint in the past, which has some guidelines
for proper constructive criticism for artwork. and i don't
see them telling us to write short responses as to how a
person's work is bad, without adding a proper explanation
as to why it's bad.

now lets stop this discussion and you work on your criticism.
next time i won't be asking you to, but demanding you to.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:36 pm**

cin wrote:
now lets stop this discussion and you work on your criticism.
next time i won't be asking you to, but demanding you to.

I love it when you get like this. :oops:

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:54 pm**

Hostage wrote:
cin wrote:
now lets stop this discussion and you work on your criticism.
next time i won't be asking you to, but demanding you to.

I love it when you get like this.

lol dont we all

but is for the best :wink:

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:04 pm**

so much is bolded 0o i just read the bolded words

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:14 pm**

Cin , what do you think of my sig lol .
Since your here please tell me what to improve

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:00 pm**

it's good that you're learning.

i like the background a lot, but i don't really think
it fits the focal that well. that's partly because, on
your focal, the light comes from the front right, but
on your background the light seems to come from above
her. besides that, the right side of the signature can
use a bit of flair, like effect renders or a couple of
different colors to make that bit more interesting. for
effect renders you can look up some of the tutorials in
this section's sticky; look for c4d renders.

an other thing is that the signature could use a bit
more depth. having the right lightsource on your focal
and background could do wonders in this case because
there would be shadows implying that your focal is in
front of your background. the c4d renders i mentioned
could help to add "flow" to the sig. flow basically
means the way your eyes go when you're looking at the
sig. i can take the sig you're currently using as an
example for this; the girl is obviously the focal, and
the direction of the sig is from that focal outwards.
sorry i had to do this in paint, but my laptop broke
down and i'm currently using my brother's pc, but i
think you get the point:

anyhow, it's not a bad sig, but there's still a lot
of things you can learn and everytime you learn you
will get better. for me, important things in a sig
are depth, flow and lighting. on top of that, the
colors should match as well. i'm still learning a
lot myself and not saying i can do everything the
best way, but i do hope my comments are helpful.

keep up the good work, keep on practicing. and pay
close attention to sigs by the older artists here.
many of these sigs have a tutorial to come with it,
you can find them in the sticky.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:16 pm**

Is this one any better? Lol. I made a abstract one for sig wars but fort it was nice so posted it

Cnc please.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:53 pm**

the effects look pretty cool, but it seems like you did a drag and drop and did a shadowed eraser effect on it, not saying you did but seems like it. also its like the head is isolated from the body, which i cant see. other than that its pretty cool. just try to make it all flow as in blend.

Posted: **Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:22 am**

it looks nice, from a noobie's point of view. I'm trying up on sig desighing for the fun of it

downloading photoshop now.. and i :love:

Alba.

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