The Lore

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Well with most other things i do i like to find out as much as i can about it and with wow been so rich in lore iv had a field day going though countles pages on wowwiki and other places.

So lets start a thread to talk about the lore xD

il open up with the topic of the dragon aspects namly the black aspect deathwing. its a near certainy he is going to be featured in the game at some point and i hope as a pinicle point of one of the upcoming expansion but how is he going to be played into the game is it going to be via an onyxia style raid or is it going to be a long build up including the twilight dragons, are the red, green and bronze aspects going to play a role in his demise much as they have with Malygos (who imo shouldnt have been killed he was regaining his sanity and though waged war on the kirin'tor they should have defended for a while and let malygos regain his full mind)

anyone trying to start a topic is hard so pick up something out of what i wrote comment and get the ball rolling, please dont make up facts if your going to make a very controversal counter arguement reference something to make your point.

[/Pi]

Love the lore as well. Haven't played any of the Warcraft games aside from WoW so everything is new to me. I also spend some time reading articles on the wiki, ending up reading a bunch from so many links.

OT: The gameplay for Deathwing can only be speculated as there are almost no clues about it. His location, is most likely going to be in Grim Batol, that's all I know.

What interests me about the aspects right now is their relation with the Emerald Dream. Instead of Deathwing, maybe Ysera will play a larger part in the next expansion. There are numerous speculations about the next expansion revolving around the Dream.

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[bakafish]

I have been moving about lately and haven't got the time to play WoW so I bought some of their books, currently reading War of the Ancients trilogy which I'm pretty sure will unveil more information about Deathwing as I slowly get through it, though there has been some hints already especially when Krasus encountered Neltharion during his audience with the Aspect.

I hope Deathwing gets into the game (if he haven't yet), and yeah, the reason to kill Malygos is rather weak from my point of view. But then again, I haven't been reading on my quest descriptions lol, which I deeply regret. The only thing I know about the Emerald Dream is that it's Ysera's realm and druids can roam in it if they have are skilled enough, such as our first druid Malfurion. Ysera also needs a unique skin :/

I came across WoW manga as well, and it looked pretty good. It's called the Sunwell trilogy and it is illustrated by a Korean artist, looks really good and I can't wait to get my hands on it.

[Tig3ress]

The lore is the only reason i play any MMO.

I'm an RP'ing junkie : [

[TOloseGT]

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[XemnasXD]

so sick of deathwing and the entire black dragonflight overall. I feel like when blizz needs a hard encounter they just go..."well we can always just fight that black dragonflight /shrug"

On another note i wish they hadn't killed Malygos off seeing as he was only doing his job even if he was going about it the wrong way. Alextraza could have set him straight or something. He goes a little work crazy once and everyones up and arms while the BDF plots murder and mayhem for centuries and deathwing is still out there. I feel sorry for him everytime i kill him.

Another thing i don't get is whats the story behind OS. Is that more "well just have them fight the BDF /shrug" cause i still don't see why when all the dragonflights including the BDF are mobilizing against malygos we have to go kill some more black dragons.

Also 3.1 was kinda disappointing lore wise imo. I was expecting something more titany and less old gody...also it kind of juts its way into the current story line what with TLK being in northrend as well. Two of the most powerful beings in the world, both have been known to use forms of mindcontrol and influence. You'd think they would have clashed by now or at least spoken about each other more. Though i hear Alagon has an interesting background and mission (don;t want to spoil anything) and since he's hard mode only and only after you defeat all the guardians on hard i guess you could say he's the REAL boss of Ulduar. If you look at it like that Uldaur is a bit less disappointing. For me anyway.

I guess right now im really looking forward to the Emerald Dream. I used to play a druid mainly because i loved the lore and being a NE with all that history to back it up. I wished they would give shamans a bigger lore part in the emerald dream as well but thats probably just wishful thinking. I really want to find out what happened to malfurion and cenerius.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Love the lore as well. Haven't played any of the Warcraft games aside from WoW so everything is new to me. I also spend some time reading articles on the wiki, ending up reading a bunch from so many links.

OT: The gameplay for Deathwing can only be speculated as there are almost no clues about it. His location, is most likely going to be in Grim Batol, that's all I know.

What interests me about the aspects right now is their relation with the Emerald Dream. Instead of Deathwing, maybe Ysera will play a larger part in the next expansion. There are numerous speculations about the next expansion revolving around the Dream.

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true there almost no clues about his location but there are numerous hints that he is alive and active. take Lady Sinestra she outright speaks of deathwings need for the netherwing eggs for his twilight dragons, although she is rumored to have split with deathwing but netherless on netherwing ledge she mentions him. Not to mention the black dragonflight ambasador with The Wyrmrest Accord, could bring up a shit load more but these are the 2 that come to mind first.

malygos shouldnt have been killed as i said and you said

[Necrobat]

Love the lore as well. Haven't played any of the Warcraft games aside from WoW so everything is new to me. I also spend some time reading articles on the wiki, ending up reading a bunch from so many links.

OT: The gameplay for Deathwing can only be speculated as there are almost no clues about it. His location, is most likely going to be in Grim Batol, that's all I know.

What interests me about the aspects right now is their relation with the Emerald Dream. Instead of Deathwing, maybe Ysera will play a larger part in the next expansion. There are numerous speculations about the next expansion revolving around the Dream.

Spoiler!

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true there almost no clues about his location but there are numerous hints that he is alive and active. take Lady Sinestra she outright speaks of deathwings need for the netherwing eggs for his twilight dragons, although she is rumored to have split with deathwing but netherless on netherwing ledge she mentions him. Not to mention the black dragonflight ambasador with The Wyrmrest Accord, could bring up a shit load more but these are the 2 that come to mind first.

malygos shouldnt have been killed as i said and you said

Night of the Dragon if I recall correctly is the book about the twilight dragons, and it speicifcally states that Neltharion is inhabiting Grim Batol. So ya, we know exactly where he is from a 3rd person perspective.

As members of the world? We're as clueless as anyone else.

That's the explanation between fighting Sartharion Xemnas. Neltharion took advantage of the sanctum offered by the temple at Wyrmrest as a place to store some of the eggs of his super-flight to take over the world. Saratharion was placed in charge of their protection, and upon finding out (through the books and not in-game, of course) everybody sets out to stop him.

Rumour also has it that Ulduar will tie-in to the Lich King more then we expect too. I won't link it here, but go listen to the voice clips form the Yogg-saron fights and you may soon understand. As for Ulduar itself, it is more titan0y then old god-y. Ulduar was a city of the titans which was converted to a prison to prevent Yogg-Saron from corrupting the world. The titans placed their most trusted constructs in charge of his protection, but his power grew slowly and he corrupted them one-by-one. There's plenty of titan stuff there.

Also supposedly links in with Neltharion too. Rumour has it that Yogg-saron is the one that drove him insane. <3

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Love the lore as well. Haven't played any of the Warcraft games aside from WoW so everything is new to me. I also spend some time reading articles on the wiki, ending up reading a bunch from so many links.

OT: The gameplay for Deathwing can only be speculated as there are almost no clues about it. His location, is most likely going to be in Grim Batol, that's all I know.

What interests me about the aspects right now is their relation with the Emerald Dream. Instead of Deathwing, maybe Ysera will play a larger part in the next expansion. There are numerous speculations about the next expansion revolving around the Dream.

Spoiler!

Code: Select all

true there almost no clues about his location but there are numerous hints that he is alive and active. take Lady Sinestra she outright speaks of deathwings need for the netherwing eggs for his twilight dragons, although she is rumored to have split with deathwing but netherless on netherwing ledge she mentions him. Not to mention the black dragonflight ambasador with The Wyrmrest Accord, could bring up a shit load more but these are the 2 that come to mind first.

malygos shouldnt have been killed as i said and you said

Night of the Dragon if I recall correctly is the book about the twilight dragons, and it speicifcally states that Neltharion is inhabiting Grim Batol. So ya, we know exactly where he is from a 3rd person perspective.

As members of the world? We're as clueless as anyone else.

That's the explanation between fighting Sartharion Xemnas. Neltharion took advantage of the sanctum offered by the temple at Wyrmrest as a place to store some of the eggs of his super-flight to take over the world. Saratharion was placed in charge of their protection, and upon finding out (through the books and not in-game, of course) everybody sets out to stop him.

Rumour also has it that Ulduar will tie-in to the Lich King more then we expect too. I won't link it here, but go listen to the voice clips form the Yogg-saron fights and you may soon understand. As for Ulduar itself, it is more titan0y then old god-y. Ulduar was a city of the titans which was converted to a prison to prevent Yogg-Saron from corrupting the world. The titans placed their most trusted constructs in charge of his protection, but his power grew slowly and he corrupted them one-by-one. There's plenty of titan stuff there.

Also supposedly links in with Neltharion too. Rumour has it that Yogg-saron is the one that drove him insane. <3

actually it was the dragon soul (now the demon soul) that drove him insane, yes the old gods played there part in his insanity but it was the dragon soul that did the most direct damage

[Necrobat]

I'm fairly certain it was mentioned he was coaxed into taking the Dragon Soul for himself.

[Lempi]

I was never really into the lore because i know it goes back a few games and i didnt want to play through the all just to play a game now.
I own Warcraft 3 but i've never played it. Though i do enjoy reading some of the character backgrounds of the bosses and pre-tbc bosses such as Baron and C'Thun.

[XemnasXD]

the way i understood it was that Neltharion was already corrupted when he came up with the idea for the dragon soul. After all he planned to use it against the other dragons from the beginning, it was a trap. Pretty sure the Old Gods were responsible for his corruption but it was probably just tipping him over the edge i mean its not like the old gods were influencing his every move.

[Necrobat]

the way i understood it was that Neltharion was already corrupted when he came up with the idea for the dragon soul. After all he planned to use it against the other dragons from the beginning, it was a trap. Pretty sure the Old Gods were responsible for his corruption but it was probably just tipping him over the edge i mean its not like the old gods were influencing his every move.

All an Old God needs to do is implant an idea to succeed. Example; Loken.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

the way i understood it was that Neltharion was already corrupted when he came up with the idea for the dragon soul. After all he planned to use it against the other dragons from the beginning, it was a trap. Pretty sure the Old Gods were responsible for his corruption but it was probably just tipping him over the edge i mean its not like the old gods were influencing his every move.

was the dragon soul which sent him insane but the corruption was done prior to that although malygos did assist in getting the other dragons to part with a portion of there power into the dragon soul (not deathwing he was corrupt and knew what he was doing) although did not expect to go insane.

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

actually it was the dragon soul (now the demon soul) that drove him insane, yes the old gods played there part in his insanity but it was the dragon soul that did the most direct damage

if the dragon soul corrupted him, then why did he make the dragon soul in the first place? no, because he made that in order to take over the other dragons. he was currupted before the made the dragon soul. its just that testing it on burning legion warlocks put that bit of evil into the dragon soul and it corrupted him even more then he was before.

Offtopic: ive read the war of the ancients triology as well as i have a book of 4 warcraft novels and they are my favorite books. warcraft lore is very interesting, moreso then real history xD

[[SD]Master_Wong]

actually it was the dragon soul (now the demon soul) that drove him insane, yes the old gods played there part in his insanity but it was the dragon soul that did the most direct damage

if the dragon soul corrupted him, then why did he make the dragon soul in the first place? no, because he made that in order to take over the other dragons. he was currupted before the made the dragon soul. its just that testing it on burning legion warlocks put that bit of evil into the dragon soul and it corrupted him even more then he was before.

Offtopic: ive read the war of the ancients triology as well as i have a book of 4 warcraft novels and they are my favorite books. warcraft lore is very interesting, moreso then real history xD

i said insanity not corruption jeez, dragon soul sent him insane old god corrupted him enough to make this item with malygos's help

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

i see sorry, and i didnt know there was someone that said basicly same as i said before me. sorryz

[[SD]Master_Wong]

as i said in my first post we can speculate this is going to be included in wow at some point and due to the nature i would further speculate that its going to the center piece to one of the expansions but with 3 others remaining emerald dream been a distinct possibily for another 1 leaving 2 relativly unknown expansions.

based on lore and whats been inclded so far i think old gods may end with ulduar, im curious to what else will/can be included either based on books or blue post. oppinions

fyi if you didnt know 4 more expanions 85-90-95-100, each with a hero class but thats more of an update discussion rather then bosses and lore etc

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

an expansion for 5 lvls wtf?

[Necrobat]

as i said in my first post we can speculate this is going to be included in wow at some point and due to the nature i would further speculate that its going to the center piece to one of the expansions but with 3 others remaining emerald dream been a distinct possibily for another 1 leaving 2 relativly unknown expansions.

based on lore and whats been inclded so far i think old gods may end with ulduar, im curious to what else will/can be included either based on books or blue post. oppinions

fyi if you didnt know 4 more expanions 85-90-95-100, each with a hero class but thats more of an update discussion rather then bosses and lore etc

Maelstrom will be next, followed by Emerald Dream and then the Legion Stronghold.

I'll try and find the zone list later that was posted by a blue during the original WoW beta.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

an expansion for 5 lvls wtf?

yeh was stated a while back thats wow is going to end at cap 100

but rather talk about the lore and what content is going to be featured and why and what role it plays in the experiance as a whole

[Necrobat]

an expansion for 5 lvls wtf?

yeh was stated a while back thats wow is going to end at cap 100

but rather talk about the lore and what content is going to be featured and why and what role it plays in the experiance as a whole

Well in that case, Maelstrom would come before Emerald Dream, because I think it may have something to do with the fact that to get all the mortal races into the dream, we may require the power from the original Well of Eternity to breach the barrier at will. Azshara of course would be the guardian of it so she'd be the Arthas of the Maelstrom.

Then we'd go the the Emerald Dream/Nightmare and liberate it of the stench of the old god corrupting it. (what else would be powerful enough?)

Then finally we end this conflict once and for all and with the aide of the Naaru who have sat back and watched the mortal races grow, and take the fight to the Burning Legion for once.

[XemnasXD]

the way i understood it was that Neltharion was already corrupted when he came up with the idea for the dragon soul. After all he planned to use it against the other dragons from the beginning, it was a trap. Pretty sure the Old Gods were responsible for his corruption but it was probably just tipping him over the edge i mean its not like the old gods were influencing his every move.

All an Old God needs to do is implant an idea to succeed. Example; Loken.

yeah but Loken is a tool...plus he was weaker than Thorim and Hodir so he's also a loser....he clearly had alot going against him.

Also why would maelstrom come next? The whole area is underwater and all thats there is the capitol of the Naga. Seeing as we already beat Queen Ashsarwhatever already it would be lame to make her a boss of an entire expansion, i guess they could pull a sunwell but that seems a bit tacky to me. Emerald Dream is definitely next...maelstrom might be an instance...

[Necrobat]

the way i understood it was that Neltharion was already corrupted when he came up with the idea for the dragon soul. After all he planned to use it against the other dragons from the beginning, it was a trap. Pretty sure the Old Gods were responsible for his corruption but it was probably just tipping him over the edge i mean its not like the old gods were influencing his every move.

All an Old God needs to do is implant an idea to succeed. Example; Loken.

yeah but Loken is a tool...plus he was weaker than Thorim and Hodir so he's also a loser....he clearly had alot going against him.

Also why would maelstrom come next? The whole area is underwater and all thats there is the capitol of the Naga. Seeing as we already beat Queen Ashsarwhatever already it would be lame to make her a boss of an entire expansion, i guess they could pull a sunwell but that seems a bit tacky to me. Emerald Dream is definitely next...maelstrom might be an instance...

Maelstrom would include the entire South Seas, possibly with Undermine being the Dalaran of it. Also remember that Azshara only got beaten by Krasus, Rhonin the Mary Sue and co. The original Well of Eternity is still very much there; it's power is why the Maelstrom is in its state of disarray. hell, we might even have a Burning Legion invasion to reclaim it like they tried to in the War of the Ancients, in which the blue dragonflight could be all "well, hate to say we told ya so but... we told ya so."

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

i thought malygos was the last of the blue flight, sence in the book he has no more females, and deathwing killed all of his little blue dragons so how did he make more?

[[SD]Master_Wong]

i thought malygos was the last of the blue flight, sence in the book he has no more females, and deathwing killed all of his little blue dragons so how did he make more?

some of the eggs where saved

[XemnasXD]

pretty sure the original well of eternity imploded and thats why the area is in such disarray...its like a mini version of outland. I don't think the well is there at all anymore otherwise the legion would be going after it and Queen whatever would have access to some extreme power. We visited the south seas in WCIII..theres not much there besides the tomb of sargeas and some more Naga...

[[SD]Master_Wong]

pretty sure the original well of eternity imploded and thats why the area is in such disarray...its like a mini version of outland. I don't think the well is there at all anymore otherwise the legion would be going after it and Queen whatever would have access to some extreme power. We visited the south seas in WCIII..theres not much there besides the tomb of sargeas and some more Naga...

aslong as some of the water was saved another well can be formed or the power can be used so its possible after the death of the queen someone steps up but i dont know any lore that woudl suggest such a think so its non cannon

[Necrobat]

pretty sure the original well of eternity imploded and thats why the area is in such disarray...its like a mini version of outland. I don't think the well is there at all anymore otherwise the legion would be going after it and Queen whatever would have access to some extreme power. We visited the south seas in WCIII..theres not much there besides the tomb of sargeas and some more Naga...

Queen Azshara is still very much alive. The power of the Well has mutated her into a very powerful being. She *is* the naga queen afterall.

[[TS]=Hark=[TS]]

awww... so shes not the hottest little night elf anymore? lol